SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 2, 2010 12:19:57 GMT -5
my interpretation. We're doing this is a favor to cox, but we don't really like rutgers of Mike rice. I still like our chances very much. Agreed. Or, maybe it isn't so much "like" as... Hey, Mike Rice is a new, totally unproven head coach and Rutgers has ZERO track record. Do i really want to entrust my entire career to a couple of unproven guys and program? I don't think he will end up at RU. But, JT3 has to be on this kid 24/7. Fortunately, JT3 has a GREAT track record of developing kids and winning basketball -- and academic success too. Greg's early departure at the #7 pick is one more great credential for GU.
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Post by mfrekko on Jul 2, 2010 12:48:42 GMT -5
Hoyas definitely need to redouble their efforts as Cox seemed to have developed a strong relationship with Rak (and Ty).
As I state earlier, I'm not as concerned about these guys signing with Rutgers as much as I am concerned that the Cox departure may knock the Hoyas down a peg relative to the other top-flight programs recruiting Rak and Ty.
With some recent developments, Thompson, Rak, and Ty now seem to be a little tougher to get and our class may end up looking a lot different than some on this board were hoping for a few weeks ago.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 2, 2010 13:03:10 GMT -5
I think what i'm saying is that he's considering rutgers because of cox enough to hear them out, but not enough to actually choose them because of all the other giant negatives surrounding rutgers. I'm sure Cox has becoem close over the 2 years of recruiting so he asked for christmas to hear him and rutgers out and he's willing to do that because of their relationship. But few recruits are willing to pick a school just based on one assistant coach.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 2, 2010 13:22:35 GMT -5
^^^Probably fair. I think as Ranch said, the main concern probably isn't Rutgers landing Christmas (or Johnson) but the fact that Cox was their lead recruiter and seemingly did a good job with each and now we don't have him anymore. Hopefully we were far enough along that III can seal the deal, but it's a bit of an obstacle for us for sure and probably hurt any lead we may have had on either prospect.
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Post by dungeon ball on Jul 2, 2010 13:30:56 GMT -5
Can anyone speak to the importance/role of an asst. once a student gets to campus? It seems like an asst. is a (if not the main) major factor in recruitment, but I guess I don't necessarily understand why if the kid will be playing for the head coach once they get there. I mean, why is Jordan goodman so committed to cox? Is that more a dc assault thing? not that I'm really concerned or anything, just curious.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 10, 2010 11:22:22 GMT -5
Rivals blurb on Christmas from LeBron camp:
"Rakeem Christmas- He measured out with the top wing span of 87 inches at the camp, and he has used it to his advantage on the glass. Christmas also has shown signs of developing as a scorer on the baseline."
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damnhoya
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Post by damnhoya on Aug 2, 2010 14:12:59 GMT -5
Per Rak's facebook account, he is currently visiting Cuse (arrived last night) with Trevor Cooney, a Cuse commit (ranked about 140 on rivals).
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Aug 2, 2010 14:32:30 GMT -5
Cooney has been working on him, but I don't see him going there or the need on Cuse part. They got 3/4 bigs coming in the next two classes. I guess we'll see.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Aug 3, 2010 17:42:26 GMT -5
hey Id...how is it going? Who would you compare Christmas too, if you could. Is he good enough to take minutes from who we have? I am looking forward to some fowards like we play against who can score points.
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damnhoya
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Post by damnhoya on Aug 3, 2010 21:24:08 GMT -5
Looks like Rak is getting pretty friendly with the Cuse players (former and current): twitter.com/rakeemchristmasAnd yes, he is good enough to take minutes from whoever will be upfront when he arrives in 2011. More advanced with defense than offense.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 3, 2010 21:27:26 GMT -5
I still like where we are sitting. He'd be a fool to go to the cuse.
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Post by deacon on Aug 3, 2010 22:19:56 GMT -5
i could deal with Tyrone Johnson choosing 'Nova over the Hoyas, but I won't deal with Rakeem Christmas choosing 'Cuse over Georgetown.
The mere thought of it has me nauseous.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Aug 3, 2010 22:34:30 GMT -5
Wassup Nash,
Rak will start right after signing his LOI. lol.
From what i've seen his wingspan is ridiculous and there isn't a better defensive big in the class. Now, that being said, he'd greatly benefit from a scoring 4 next to him. It would allow him to develop offensively (which is coming along and already decent) without having the pressure to score every night.
A young Zo, in that he enjoys the defensive side of it and hangs his hat there. Maybe not quite as tenacious in attitude, but its there.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Aug 4, 2010 1:29:58 GMT -5
Got a bad feeling about him. I hope I am wrong. Don't trust the Cuse!!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 4, 2010 8:25:36 GMT -5
If he ends up at cuse it won't be for money or anything like that, he could go to kentucky or texas for that matter if he wanted to be paid. It'd be because of his friendship with current cuse commits overriding his desire to improve his game.
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Post by mfrekko on Aug 4, 2010 10:25:50 GMT -5
HSBirth - I love you bro, but that is a riddonque comment. The Cuse may be loathsome for a myriad of reasons, but to suggest that Boeheim's system will be deficient in improving Rak's game is really off-base.
Boeheim arguably gets more out of his players than any coach in the country.
Just look at last year's team as one of many many examples. Wes Johnson, Rautins, and Onuaku made tremendous strides during their careers. And Boeheim has developed another budding star in Kris Joseph.
Losing Rak to Cuse would be EXTREMELY painful, but if he goes that direction he'll have a tremendous opportunity to win games, develop, and get drafted in the lottery.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 4, 2010 10:39:32 GMT -5
Of course, Ranch, his team totally crapped out when it had as many McD's AAs as UNC or Duke.
Boeheim's history is simple: his teams overperform when nothing is expected, and underperform otherwise.
Aside from Carmelo, his players have a pretty lackluster NBA history -- players like Billy Owens, Derrick Coleman, Sherman Douglas, etc., were all very talented but disappointments as pros.
If Rak was a relative unknown, your argument would have weight. But actually Boeheim has been a disappointment with his more overhyped teams.
Furthermore, Christmas is well known; it's a ridiculous comment to say that Boeheim improves his chances to go to the L over someone like Thompson, who now has three big men in the L in six years.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 4, 2010 10:43:57 GMT -5
1)Look at the big men that Boehiem has sent to the NBA and compare them even to just the few big men JTIII has developed forget the one's pops developed even in that alone JTIII kicks his ass in big men developed. 2) Zone holds back defensive development
the reason he is interested in cuse is his relationship with his AAU teammates. Not saying boehiem is a terrible coach or that he can't go to the nba through cuse. but if a big man wants to go to the nba there are better places.
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Aug 4, 2010 11:31:03 GMT -5
1)Look at the big men that Boehiem has sent to the NBA and compare them even to just the few big men JTIII has developed forget the one's pops developed even in that alone JTIII kicks his ass in big men developed. 2) Zone holds back defensive development the reason he is interested in cuse is his relationship with his AAU teammates. Not saying boehiem is a terrible coach or that he can't go to the nba through cuse. but if a big man wants to go to the nba there are better places. Bingo--I have said this to all the Syracuse fans around me for ages. If you are a player who wants to have a successful NBA career, SU is NOT the place to go. You may get drafted and have good success at the college level, but the track record isn't there for much more.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Aug 4, 2010 11:43:19 GMT -5
KrisJo is puttin in some major time with Rak and he has heard from Wes Johnson via twitter as well.
It would be nice if our guys did the same (not saying they don't, just going by what I'm seeing now). if Rak goes to the Cuse, I will throw up all over myself.
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