Javon McCrea 2010

[alleninxis]

a report out there saying he's verballed to the Hoyas

A teammate of nate's with NE Playaz..

but AAU coach of the playaz stating it's BS. (which everything would point to it being)

[JS]

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[HoyaSinceBirth]

www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090714/SPORTS08/90714026/+Newark+basketball+star+McCrea+commits+to+Georgetown

just saw this on the cuse board. crazy no one was talking about this guy. seems out of no where. how good is he?

[alleninxis]

Adam Zagoria is saying it's false.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=98646&sport=2

rivals page has us having offered. But that never certain.

What a weird story.

Maybe someone spread this story to try and get nate to decommit?

[kghoya]

and the strange just got stranger

[HoyasAreHungry]

wha? who? what? where? i would be pretty surprised if this was true

[jerseyhoya34]

Here is his highlight package:

On tape, he kind of reminds you of an odd combo of Jeff and Greg (with obvious caveats about not being on the same level). He shows a good floor game and above average athleticism. Would like to see more bounciness, but perhaps it is not shown in the highlights. Seems to use both hands well.

Interesting pickup, if he is indeed committed. Reasonably good scouting, it seems.

On edit: Perhaps the BS reports make this Chapter 2 in the negative recruiting bonanza of late.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Just seems really weird with Jones, Smith, and Kendrick out there. If this was spring of '10 this signing would make sense.

I think 1 of 3 things happened here.

1) Honest mistake someone over heard something misunderstood and reported this.
2) McCrea misunderstood the offer and thought he had an offer and could commit right away and in fact the offer was conditional on how the rest of the recruiting shaped out.
3) Some one planted this story to plant the seed of doubt in lubick's head to push him in to decommiting.

i'm hoping it's one of the first two.

[alleninxis]

i dunno why the rumors of adding a teammate would make Nate decommit?

[sleepy]

So a possible fake commitment and a possible fake decommitment all in the same week, from the same aau program? What is going on? Any of our recruiting gurus want to chime in with an explanation for all these possible rumors?

[HoyaSinceBirth]

yeah i guess i didn't really think about it other than the fact that the guy was listed at PF so would compete for time with nate. Except this guy is unheralded so i doubt nate would be worried about that.

It could still be related to nate. (yes at this point i'm grasping at straws) 1) maybe nate is pushing for us to take his friend too.

[RBHoya]

Jul 14, 2009 18:40:41 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

Just seems really weird with Jones, Smith, and Kendrick out there. If this was spring of '10 this signing would make sense.

I think 1 of 3 things happened here.

1) Honest mistake someone over heard something misunderstood and reported this.
2) McCrea misunderstood the offer and thought he had an offer and could commit right away and in fact the offer was conditional on how the rest of the recruiting shaped out.
3) Some one planted this story to plant the seed of doubt in lubick's head to push him in to decommiting.

i'm hoping it's one of the first two.

Could certainly be some combo of 1 and 2. With Georgetown a lot of times the concept of "an offer" is fluid. Unlike a place like Duke, who recruits a lot of guys but only gives a formal offer to a couple, Georgetown tends to give a lot of soft offers. In any given year there seems to be a lot of guys who think they have GU offers, and/or claim to have GU offers in interviews, but if they tried to call up one of the assistants or III and commit, the staff wouldn't take the commitment yet... Recruiting is a tricky thing, to keep kids attentions and not lose their interest to rivals, sometimes you have to tell them what they want to hear and/or exaggerate a little bit. For instance an assistant might tell a recruit "Hey, you know, we'd really love it if you were a Hoya", which a kid might interpret as an offer, even though it really isn't. It can get tricky for sure, because in a lot of cases the coaching staff is trying to do enough to keep a kid interested but does not want to take a commitment from him until/unless some other higher priority recruits make a decision and decide to go elsewhere.

I remember a few years back something like this happened to UMCP. They were recruiting a kid named Kenny Belton from VA, but he was sort of a backburner recruit while they waited on more high profile guys. But somehow the kid misunderstood and thought he had a full offer, and starts telling the newspapers/recruiting services that he was going to be a Terp. However, their staff didn't WANT to take a commitment from him, didn't really want to offer him. It was a big misunderstanding and within a few days the kid was retracting it. Somewhat embarrassing for both parties I think. Belton ended up going to Cincy and is still on their team.... So, something like that happening is unprecedented.

If I had to take a stab at this one, I would guess McCrea had some sort of a conditional offer, ie, if we still have a scholarship available by X, it's yours, or something like that. And maybe he misunderstood the parameters, or just got overexcited and started telling people around him he'd be a Hoya and it spread.

Or, you know, maybe he actually is going to be a Hoya. Stranger things have happened. There surely hasn't been much talk about the guy but he has been mentioned as someone who we had interest in in the past. One thing I always say, and it Editedes some posters off, is that even though the message board communities love guys like Kendrick and Jones, that doesn't necessarily mean that Kendrick and Jones love Georgetown back, or even that our staff is going to go all out trying to get them. Sometimes the staff has other ideas on things and/or knows things that we don't about where a kid is leaning or what it might take to get him. I'm definitely not saying, oh they're throwing in the towel on the studs and settling for an under-the-radar McCrea, but maybe they know something we don't about some of the more-discussed prospects... or, maybe they know something we don't about McCrea. At this point, it's still within the realm of possibility... Maybe not probable, but possible.... Anyway, how many Hoya fans had any idea who Jerelle Bennimon was 24 hours before he committed? The fact that the guy hasn't been discussed much doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Finally I'll say that I still don't have a particularly good feeling on Nate. I have no idea if this is related at all, but I just don't feel very confident about Nate and won't unless/until we get a signed LOI from him.

[williambraskyiii]

Jul 14, 2009 20:34:55 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

Jul 14, 2009 18:40:41 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

Just seems really weird with Jones, Smith, and Kendrick out there. If this was spring of '10 this signing would make sense.

I think 1 of 3 things happened here.

1) Honest mistake someone over heard something misunderstood and reported this.
2) McCrea misunderstood the offer and thought he had an offer and could commit right away and in fact the offer was conditional on how the rest of the recruiting shaped out.
3) Some one planted this story to plant the seed of doubt in lubick's head to push him in to decommiting.

i'm hoping it's one of the first two.

Could certainly be some combo of 1 and 2. With Georgetown a lot of times the concept of "an offer" is fluid. Unlike a place like Duke, who recruits a lot of guys but only gives a formal offer to a couple, Georgetown tends to give a lot of soft offers. In any given year there seems to be a lot of guys who think they have GU offers, and/or claim to have GU offers in interviews, but if they tried to call up one of the assistants or III and commit, the staff wouldn't take the commitment yet... Recruiting is a tricky thing, to keep kids attentions and not lose their interest to rivals, sometimes you have to tell them what they want to hear and/or exaggerate a little bit. For instance an assistant might tell a recruit "Hey, you know, we'd really love it if you were a Hoya", which a kid might interpret as an offer, even though it really isn't. It can get tricky for sure, because in a lot of cases the coaching staff is trying to do enough to keep a kid interested but does not want to take a commitment from him until/unless some other higher priority recruits make a decision and decide to go elsewhere.

I remember a few years back something like this happened to UMCP. They were recruiting a kid named Kenny Belton from VA, but he was sort of a backburner recruit while they waited on more high profile guys. But somehow the kid misunderstood and thought he had a full offer, and starts telling the newspapers/recruiting services that he was going to be a Terp. However, their staff didn't WANT to take a commitment from him, didn't really want to offer him. It was a big misunderstanding and within a few days the kid was retracting it. Somewhat embarrassing for both parties I think. Belton ended up going to Cincy and is still on their team.... So, something like that happening is unprecedented.

If I had to take a stab at this one, I would guess McCrea had some sort of a conditional offer, ie, if we still have a scholarship available by X, it's yours, or something like that. And maybe he misunderstood the parameters, or just got overexcited and started telling people around him he'd be a Hoya and it spread.

Or, you know, maybe he actually is going to be a Hoya. Stranger things have happened. There surely hasn't been much talk about the guy but he has been mentioned as someone who we had interest in in the past. One thing I always say, and it Editedes some posters off, is that even though the message board communities love guys like Kendrick and Jones, that doesn't necessarily mean that Kendrick and Jones love Georgetown back, or even that our staff is going to go all out trying to get them. Sometimes the staff has other ideas on things and/or knows things that we don't about where a kid is leaning or what it might take to get him. I'm definitely not saying, oh they're throwing in the towel on the studs and settling for an under-the-radar McCrea, but maybe they know something we don't about some of the more-discussed prospects... or, maybe they know something we don't about McCrea. At this point, it's still within the realm of possibility... Maybe not probable, but possible.... Anyway, how many Hoya fans had any idea who Jerelle Bennimon was 24 hours before he committed? The fact that the guy hasn't been discussed much doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Finally I'll say that I still don't have a particularly good feeling on Nate. I have no idea if this is related at all, but I just don't feel very confident about Nate and won't unless/until we get a signed LOI from him.

Have to agree on all counts with RB here. The one glaring omission from HSB's list of possible reasons for this announcement is that perhaps Kendrick, Jones and certainly Roscoe have cooled on Hoyas or haven't been high on the Hoyas for a while. This could just be one of those upside offers -- i mean based on the limited reviews of his game, he is a rangy 6'6 with a 6'10 pops so if he grows another couple of inches we could be looking at a high high major recruit.

i dont know sht about recruiting - its just that option 4 re Smith, Kendrick, Jones was the first thing that came to my mind.

Hope Lubick doesn't decommit...that would suck.

[richfame]

Does anyone get the feeling this program(UNFAIRLY SO) In terms of recruiting has hit a concrete wall?? I mean we go to the final four and gain so much respect from the recruits and anylasts. We have a hot shot young coach that saved an old proud program and hoya nation is back on the map. We follow this up with a solid season and land the number one recruiting prize in GREG MONROE, and things look great....

Then comes the disaster of all disasters and it seems like we lost so much of the momentium we had in recruiting. It seems like guys like Kendrick and Odom and Smith might have cooled on us as our program has cooled. Everyone on this site was talking about 2010 as the holy grail of recruiting and how teh hoyas were a lock to procure one or two of these guys. Could it be possible that our status of a nation power we breifly held 3 years ago has faided and so our the potential top recruits?? I hope not...

[chep3]

I disagree richfame, but conditionally. First off, I think RB is right in the sense that we have to sit back and see what actually happens with this offer. It's not clear what the situation is yet, and this might be one of those times where it's better to wait for something clear from GU itself. Second, we're still very much linked with a lot of the higher name recruits, and we'll see if what we can get. We got 2 very good ones, and if we got a Jones, Kendrick, or Smith (let alone 2 of them), we'd have a recruiting class equal to the Greg, Henry, Jason class that everyone was super psyched about. Third, we got burned with Macklin being a high rated guy who didn't fit our system. Maybe the staff is being a little more cautious about who it takes in the sense that it is looking for guys who fit the system well. If that's the case, then I'm fine with that. We'll still take our shots with guys like Greg and Jones who seem to work really well, but shy away from some others who wouldn't.

Of course, if I'm wrong on all 3 accounts, then yeah I see where you're coming from. But then again, that's nothing that a good year this year coupled with the selection of Greg in the early lottery wouldn't fix.

[SirSaxa]

Seems former Cuse hoopster John Wallace is advising McCrea. Could that be the reason for the confusion?

EXCERPT

Former Syracuse University star and NBA forward John Wallace, who is helping Newark junior Javon McCrea through the college basketball recruiting process, said that the All-Greater Rochester center is interested in playing at Georgetown University but has not given a verbal commitment.

Shannon Nash, McCrea’s mother, said that her son gave a non-binding commitment to play at the Big East Conference school during an unofficial visit last month. Wallace said that McCrea, listed at 6-foot-6 inches and 230 pounds after his junior season at Newark last spring, has not told Hoyas coach John Thompson III his intentions yet.

McCrea, a two-time All-Greater Rochester pick at Newark, averaged 20 points and 15 rebounds a game last winter as the Reds reached the Section V Class A final. Pittsburgh and the University of Nevada Las Vegas (UNLV) are among the teams that have recruited McCrea, who was named fifth team all-state last season.

www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090714/SPORTS08/90714030/Adviser++Newark+s+McCrea+hasn+t+committed+to+college+yet

[SFHoya99]

We currently have a great class for 2010. It has the possibility of getting better (and worse as well).

Before we assume there's this brick wall, shouldn't we wait to see what happens?

[richfame]

Chep I agree with you i think were going to be fine and this year were going to gel alot better. I was just saying its possible, not probable, that top recruits might be in a holding pattern with our program. Your right we got solid guys coming in, But i think for teh most part they signed before our season the bed last year.....

[tonydeals]

Some of you folks crack me up...