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Post by michiganhoya on Feb 8, 2005 23:52:03 GMT -5
I think it is the offense of Princeton and the defense of Georgetown that lead to PrinceTown. Plus, I predict you'll see commentators use that soon enough.
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Post by 3GenerationHoya on Feb 9, 2005 0:34:53 GMT -5
I think we are referring to it as the PrinceTown offense because it isn't exactly like the style of basketball that Carril installed at Princeton. Instead, it is JT III's take on it. As SirSaxa, michiganhoya, and many others have pointed out, JTIII has created a new type of basketball here on the Hilltop that blends aspects from the hard-nosed tenacious defensive philosophy of his father, the patient ball-control offense of his coach, and a few of his own wrinkles. Indeed, the name does acknowledge that the basis of our offensive system comes from Princeton. There is no shame in that. But the name also distinguishes that the style of play is just a little different. I see no harm in adopting the pet name for our offense, even if it does not make it off this board. However, I recall seeing it referred to as "PrinceTown" in one of the pregame report pages (before the St. John's game?). If that doesn't make the name legit, I don't know what does...
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 9, 2005 8:02:29 GMT -5
The other reason that people (at least on this board) call it the PrinceTown is that even when JTIII was at Princeton as head coach, he added a number of wrinkles that irked many of the Princeton offense purists, so it's not like he's just adapting the style to his current players, as much as he has never played the pure Carmody-Scott version of the P.O.
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Post by aggypryd on Feb 9, 2005 9:01:15 GMT -5
AI would have been INCREDIBLE in this offense!!!!
Think about how much this offense opens up the floor. Because he draws so much attention, he could have easily been a 20 pt 10 assist guy...as long us 10-thumbs Jahidi wasn't on the other end of the pass...
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Feb 9, 2005 9:50:23 GMT -5
The other reason that people (at least on this board) call it the PrinceTown is that even when JTIII was at Princeton as head coach, he added a number of wrinkles that irked many of the Princeton offense purists, so it's not like he's just adapting the style to his current players, as much as he has never played the pure Carmody-Scott version of the P.O. Maybe because JT III realized that the Ivy League was starting to adjust to the traditional offense and added some wrinkles. It looks like Scott may need to do that at Princeton as they are off to one of their worse starts in league play in a long time at 1-4.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 9, 2005 9:53:23 GMT -5
Yeah, they totally melted down vs Penn in the second half. Ouch. The Princeton boards seem to be split between those who say that JTIII was ahead of his time and those who support Scotts "return" to fundamentals -- and blame this season as an adjustment. Only Ivy leaguers could be dogmatic enough to prefer maintaining a "pure ideology" over making adjustments on the fly and winning. No, I'm not making any social commentary about the WASP love of the status quo...none whatsoever.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Feb 9, 2005 10:01:18 GMT -5
Duane Spencer would have been great in this offense. If a) he hadn't transferred and b) it were 12 years ago.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Feb 9, 2005 10:34:58 GMT -5
dont forget nat burton. Undoubtedly his team first attittudy and gameplay would have fit in well
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 9, 2005 10:35:57 GMT -5
that's my point. spencer wasn't suited for the hoyas style when he played for us. our current offensive style fits a player like him better, giving him more options with the ball on the perimeter.
the original question was what past hoyas would thrive in the new offense. your 12 years ago comment doesn't make sense.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Feb 9, 2005 11:13:15 GMT -5
the original question was what past hoyas would thrive in the new offense. your 12 years ago comment doesn't make sense. Well he's probably 30-31 years old now. That's way too old to be playing college basketball, even if he did have any eligibility left. Maybe his twelve year old kid can play for III in a few years? (Didn't Duane leave to be closer to his newborn at LSU or am I completely making that up).
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Post by the_way on Feb 9, 2005 11:32:16 GMT -5
I think the Princeton offense helps teams with lesser talent than those with great talent. Remember, Princeton never had the athletes other teams in the NCAA tournament had. The only way to beat a team who has more talent than you is to play together. With JTIII and his Princeton teams, particulary in the latter years,I noticed that the players were a lot more athletic than Carrill's teams of the past. But a lot of times in basketball, systems go out the window, and great players make plays that aren't a part of the system.
However, I think we kind of get caught up with this Princeton offense, and lose sight of the main reason why were are winning and that is the coach, JTIII. How is Herb Sendek doing with his Princeton offense down at N.C.State? They have been wanting to get rid of him for years, because they feel the team is underachieving. How is Princeton, doing with Scott as coach with the offense. Its not the offense per se, but moreso the coach. Also, our team defense has improved tremendously as well. I think we are better offensively because we have a coach in JTIII who teaches great fundamentals, something we have lacked for quite some time as a program. I don't think our past successful G'town teams or players needed the princeton offense. In recent years, I think we needed implementation of the basic fundamentals of basketball, offense-wise and defense-wise, not necessarily the Princeton offensive system.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2005 11:54:39 GMT -5
I think it's that this offense (no matter who the coach) allows you to take advantage of your individual players' strengths. A better coach will take better advantage of it - I think the best thing JT3 has done this year is to understand what he has, and more importantly, what he doesn't have, and adapt the system accordingly.
Regardless of the coach or the offense or whatever, if the players don't buy in, then none of it matters anyway. These guys have clearly bought in, and it's working for now. Let's keep it up.
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Post by the_way on Feb 9, 2005 12:04:21 GMT -5
I think it's that this offense (no matter who the coach) allows you to take advantage of your individual players' strengths. A better coach will take better advantage of it - I think the best thing JT3 has done this year is to understand what he has, and more importantly, what he doesn't have, and adapt the system accordingly. Regardless of the coach or the offense or whatever, if the players don't buy in, then none of it matters anyway. These guys have clearly bought in, and it's working for now. Let's keep it up. I disagree. The princeton offense is overrated. Until a team with this offense wins an NCAA championship or an NBA title, then I'll say its the offense. I think its the coach more than the offense. Systems are nice and dandy but if you can't coach, systems don't mean squat. Look what JT2 did with his system and look what Esh did with the same system, and you see the difference in coaching.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 9, 2005 12:14:53 GMT -5
I think the important thing is "a" system, or rather jsut a structure to the offense. Most of the commonly used are acceptable. Any motion offense would please me, personally. The Princeton is what we got.
The_way isn't right in dismissing every offense that hasn't won an NCAA Title or NBA Title (nor does he know every offense that has or hasn't), but he's right in that it isn't just the offense.
We have a structure to our offense. Any coach that would implement the PO would add this structure, as well as many coaches who don't use the PO. We've got spacing, now, and we share the ball. We wait for a good shot. We move without the ball (sometimes). Those are the key points, whether it is Princeton, or Triangle, or Duke's one on one offense. It's not the Princeton, specifically, but it is important that we have a coach that enforces an offense that emphasizes those things. Heck, most of Princeton would tell you we don't run a Princeton offense!
In addition, I also think the best thing I've heard from coach is that he does not look at the big picture. Attention to detail is vital. While the open looks generated by his offense are nice, so is the fact that he's obviously helped Brandon's shooting stroke. Passes are crisper. Footwork is better. Shots are falling that didn't previously. Fundamentals and confidence, both stemming from the coach.
III is just a very good coach, and not just from a results standpoint. The offense we use is immaterial as long as there is an offense, and frankly, the offense is merely an extension of the coach himself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2005 12:17:51 GMT -5
I disagree. The princeton offense is overrated. Until a team with this offense wins an NCAA championship or an NBA title, then I'll say its the offense. I think its the coach more than the offense. Systems are nice and dandy but if you can't coach, systems don't mean squat. Look what JT2 did with his system and look what Esh did with the same system, and you see the difference in coaching. I'm certainly not bowing down at the altar of the Princeton offense. In fact, much like you, I give a lot of the credit to Coach. That said, there are all kinds of ways to win. Right now, this one is working for us, and I honestly don't care if it's the coach or the system or whatever. If each player eats a dozen Krispy Kremes and shotguns a beer before each game, and we win, I'll support that....
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 9, 2005 12:20:41 GMT -5
Who told you about that strategy? We used it to power our way to the Men's Intramural Finals back in 2002!!! I thought no one had broken down the tapes to discover that our secret was beer and KK. It's only a matter of time before other teams start modeling their offenses around our game plan.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Feb 9, 2005 12:24:53 GMT -5
Sure, the Red Sox won while drinking Jack Daniels before every game.
I won on the Red Sox while drinking Jim Beam during every game.
It's not the system you choose, it's just that you stick to it, at least until you win the World Series or end up in AA.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2005 12:25:38 GMT -5
A classic post to get you to All-Big East status. Well done.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 9, 2005 12:32:13 GMT -5
so wait...the key to winning is jack, jim beam or beer? I need to know this as our first intermural game is on tomorrow and I'd love to come home with a championship (a spot in AA would be acceptable too) ;D
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Post by the_way on Feb 9, 2005 12:46:52 GMT -5
You guys are hilarious. ;D
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