The Tebow Plaque

[FLHoya]

sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4016429

Your move, Carolina/Hansbrough...

[Filo]

I misread the title of this and thought it said "Tebow's Plague." So I though that it became official that Tebow is God and he was casting some good old-fashioned plagues on his enemies.

Too bad. I liked that storyline better. The one about the plaque? Excuse me, I need to go take some compazine immediately...

[HoyaSinceBirth]

is it just me, or is that not that great of a speech? nor is it one that seems that inspirational nor is it applicable to future teams really.

[RDF]

I think it should've read:

"I promise that in this economic time and era where ESPN and CBS shell out billions of dollars to the SEC--that as long as we don't lose more then 2 games--we'll be in hunt for BCS Championship--especially when we're from Florida and game is in Miami. If you spend 10 minutes with me--it'll change your life forever--like it did Tom Brennaman's--and everyone else that comes across me. I do the best 5 yard QB draw runs, get up and pump my fists and wave my arms and everyone knows that is LEADERSHIP. Has nothing to do with anything--but it's leadership. god looks at me and says "Why can't I do that?" Urban Meyer looks at that statement and says--Tim--you already DO THAT--as he knows it's a trickeration comment--TEBOW IS GOD."

[hifigator]

Jealousy causes all kinds of emotions, doesn't it?

[Boz]

Oh lord. Now they're going to start touching it or rubbing it or some stupid thing when going out onto the field like it means something.

I know, I know. I'm one of the most superstitious people around. I shouldn't be saying anything. But I'm superstitious as a fan, and because it's fun (and because I have a touch of the OCD).

Has hitting "Play Like a Champion Today" kept ND from falling into obscurity? Did slapping the "GO BLUE" banner keep Michigan from being an embarrassment this year? Has rubbing that silly Howard's Rock ever won a game for Clemson?

Mark my words, if the Florida players start slapping, touching, kissing, genuflecting, doing whatever to this plaque, it will be the beginning of the end of Gator football.

[guru]

Mar 26, 2009 11:13:51 GMT -5 Boz said:

Oh lord. Now they're going to start touching it or rubbing it or some stupid thing when going out onto the field like it means something.

I know, I know. I'm one of the most superstitious people around. I shouldn't be saying anything. But I'm superstitious as a fan, and because it's fun (and because I have a touch of the OCD).

Has hitting "Play Like a Champion Today" kept ND from falling into obscurity? Did slapping the "GO BLUE" banner keep Michigan from being an embarrassment this year? Has rubbing that silly Howard's Rock ever won a game for Clemson?

Mark my words, if the Florida players start slapping, touching, kissing, genuflecting, doing whatever to this plaque, it will be the beginning of the end of Gator football.

If the Florida players start slapping, touching and kissing, I'm not sure hifigator could contain himself.

[hifigator]

"Four score and seven years ago ..."

"Win one for the gipper."

"Don't give up. Don't ever give up."

and finally,

"The Promise" by Tim Tebow

[RDF]

Mar 26, 2009 10:54:10 GMT -5 hifigator said:

Jealousy causes all kinds of emotions, doesn't it?

No jealousy, just a little thing called REALITY, which you don't live in Cheech.

[quickplay]

yeah kind of hard to read that speech as anything but a joke.

of course he could have found the elusive extra 10 and now actually is able to give 110%...

[hifigator]

RDF, I've been called worse. Mr. Marin is a fine upstanding American, along with Tommy Chong.


quickplay, are you implying that Mr. Tebow doesn't already give 110%? Blasphemy!

[hoyarooter]

Mar 26, 2009 10:54:10 GMT -5 hifigator said:

Jealousy causes all kinds of emotions, doesn't it?

I'm willing to write this off as a feeble attempt at humor rather than a serious post. Even hifi can't be that nutso.

[hifigator]

No truth to the rumor that "The Gospel according to St. Tebow" has been adopted as the latest book in the Bible.

[RDF]

Wonder if Tebow will face same backlash from teammates that Hansbrough has this season? It's tiresome to hear about one guy when it's a TEAM EFFORT to win.

[hifigator]

Mar 27, 2009 14:20:12 GMT -5 RDF said:

Wonder if Tebow will face same backlash from teammates that Hansbrough has this season? It's tiresome to hear about one guy when it's a TEAM EFFORT to win.

That is actually a legitimate concern, but I am fairly confident it won't be an issue, for a couple of reasons. By all accounts, Tebow is truly a down to earth nice guy without any arrogance whatsoever. He is adored not just by fans, but teammates as well. I would think that if there were to be any resentment or animosity of any sort, there would have at least been some murmurings of such and there hasn't been any. Secondly, Meyer, in spite of being a strict disciplinarian, is also accepted as a players' coach. I think that his demeanor and emphasis on "team" helps aleviate most emotions that generate such potential in-fighting. But I do fully expect that sort of natural resentment from those NOT in the Gator nation, in much the same way that most of us feel towards Hansbrough.

[hoyarooter]

Isn't there a difference between Tebow and Hansbrough that actually works in Tebow's favor (at least in terms of national resentment)? The genuflecting toward Hansbrough seemed to be on a national basis, whereas, it seems to me, the genuflecting toward Tebow is more localized. I'm more willing to shrug off the local idolization of a player, and I think the average casual fan would feel the same way.

[hifigator]

Mar 27, 2009 19:49:09 GMT -5 hoyarooter said:

Isn't there a difference between Tebow and Hansbrough that actually works in Tebow's favor (at least in terms of national resentment)? The genuflecting toward Hansbrough seemed to be on a national basis, whereas, it seems to me, the genuflecting toward Tebow is more localized. I'm more willing to shrug off the local idolization of a player, and I think the average casual fan would feel the same way.

Honestly, I don't think I could say, given my obvious bias. But, in all honesty, given the hype that I admittedly and instinctively notice more, maybe you have a point. On the other hand, given that if things go "as expected," then said hype will only grow dramatically, and potentially even exponentially if, Tebow is in the running for both the Heisman as well as another Natty Tite. I will go on record right now as saying that IF -- and that's an admittedly HUGE "IF" -- but still, IF Tebow can lead his team to a third National Championship, then he will be deserving of all of the hype and speculation he will undoubtedly get, with regards to his place in history. If he can also add a second Heisman Trophy to his resume', then anyone who would deny his place among the all-time elites would clearly nothing more than a malcontent. Theoretically, if he were to achieve those goals, then there would be no denying that a resume' which would include 2 Heismans and 3 National Championships, MUST be among the all-time best players. That being said, I certainly wouldn't deny that arguments for players such as Jim Brown, Jim Thorpe, Herschel Walker and Archie Griffin (among others) would also deserve similar considerations. Furthermore, there's would clearly be no denying arguments for such players as being deserving of equal consideration.

However, I have already heard arguments that Tebow is essentially a product of the system. ALL PLAYERS ARE!

Guys like Griffin, Sanders and Simpson were only so successful because of the dedication to running the ball, and therefore the players they had around them and the opportunities they were given. I would take nothing away from any of them, just as Tebow shouldn't have any taken away from him. How does his "system" compare with others? That is another question and one for others to answer. How good would other players be in Tebow's same position? Again, there's no way to know. But I don't think you can deny the skills of any of these -- and many other -- players.


In any case, I got off subject. The point is that given the likely publicity that Tebow will have, I would have to say that it would have to be at least comparable to that of Sir Hansbrough.

[hifigator]

In proof reading that, I need to clarify one thing. Guys like Sanders, Griffin and Simpson were GREAT players. I didn't mean to suggest that they were "only successful" because of the system and those around them. They were clearly players who were above the rest and would have achieved great success regardless, but what helped elevate them to the elite of the elite, were things like "system." All great players for sure. I didn't intend anything to the contrary.

[kchoya]

Mar 27, 2009 19:49:09 GMT -5 hoyarooter said:

Isn't there a difference between Tebow and Hansbrough that actually works in Tebow's favor (at least in terms of national resentment)? The genuflecting toward Hansbrough seemed to be on a national basis, whereas, it seems to me, the genuflecting toward Tebow is more localized. I'm more willing to shrug off the local idolization of a player, and I think the average casual fan would feel the same way.

Well, the other factor is that Tebow has won 2 championships in three years, while Hansbrough is still looking for his first.

Plus, Tebow is a QB, the natural leader of the team. And by all indications his teammates rally around him and he does seem to be that genuine.

Look, I can't believe all the negativity in this thread after the season we just went through as Hoya fans. You're telling me that we wouldn't have killed for a player to step up like Tebow did after, say, the loss to Seton Hall, and give a speech like that? Someone to light a fire under the team and have them give consistent, maximum effort the rest of the season?

[SFHoya99]

Well, the sportscenter segment on the man-love between Tebow and Meyer during March Madness did little to "localize" the love.

The media is annoying in both cases. I doubt either of them are bad guys.