RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 14, 2009 14:14:09 GMT -5
Women take down #3/#4 Duke 12-11, but the men utterly fall apart and lose for the first time to Hobart 15-8 (game nowhere near as close as the score suggests).
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 14, 2009 16:07:14 GMT -5
Congratulations to the women! But what is wrong with the men. They have had good recruiting the last few years, but last year and this year, they are underachieving like the bball team this year.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Mar 14, 2009 16:56:34 GMT -5
Save us W lax, you are our only hope
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Post by reformation on Mar 14, 2009 17:23:42 GMT -5
Save us W lax, you are our only hope Would seem that the men would need to win at Duke next week, or their chance at an NCAA bid is pretty much over.
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hoya4ever
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Post by hoya4ever on Mar 14, 2009 18:35:52 GMT -5
Even with that win it might just be dubious.
It was painful to follow the game today. They scored 7 before we even figured how to score...
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Mar 14, 2009 19:12:37 GMT -5
Does anyone have real insight on to what is going on with the men's lacrosse program? I see that we consistently have top 5-10 recruiting classes only to lose to inferior competition every year, so far St. John's and Hobart this season. They never seem to be able to put it together.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 14, 2009 20:31:45 GMT -5
Does anyone have real insight on to what is going on with the men's lacrosse program? I see that we consistently have top 5-10 recruiting classes only to lose to inferior competition every year, so far St. John's and Hobart this season. They never seem to be able to put it together. One possibility comes courtesy of something JimmyHoya said during a game last year: "The middle school team I coach runs a more complicated offense than Urick does." The thing is, from my untrained eye, this could very well be true.
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 21, 2009 17:02:29 GMT -5
Lost weekend for the lax teams in Carolina.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 21, 2009 19:19:50 GMT -5
Does anyone have real insight on to what is going on with the men's lacrosse program? I see that we consistently have top 5-10 recruiting classes only to lose to inferior competition every year, so far St. John's and Hobart this season. They never seem to be able to put it together. One possibility comes courtesy of something JimmyHoya said during a game last year: "The middle school team I coach runs a more complicated offense than Urick does." The thing is, from my untrained eye, this could very well be true. Things aren't gonna change until he's gone but they'll never fire him.
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Post by tpk3 on Mar 26, 2009 6:29:05 GMT -5
Things with the lacrosse team are not good. Don't think it is appropriate to post specifics but there are MAJOR problems.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Mar 26, 2009 9:59:29 GMT -5
They'll never fire him because someone forgot to tell our ADs that being ranked #8-15 in lax when you have full scholarships and a highly desriable university to offer is no achievement at all. I think it's hysterical that lax has the temerity to publish a "top 20" poll. This would be like men's basketball moving from a top 25 poll to a top 100 poll.
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hoya4ever
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Post by hoya4ever on Mar 26, 2009 11:25:46 GMT -5
I agree, but you need some kind of ranking for the RPI and SOS.
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Post by hoya4ever on Mar 28, 2009 16:15:33 GMT -5
Things with the lacrosse team are not good. Don't think it is appropriate to post specifics but there are MAJOR problems. So Navy beat us 10-8 today. I realize you can't say anything much, but is this something they are working on? Is the athletic department/director aware of it and fixing it, because we just have absolutely no chance of even being considered for NCAAs. (really we lost that a couple of weeks ago)
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Post by dchead on Mar 28, 2009 19:12:53 GMT -5
As a casual fan, it seems to me that after improvements in the mid to late 90's through the early part of this decade, the program's ascent plateaued until the last few years, when it had dropped off noticeably. Georgetown should be an easy sell and we seem to get the recruits. Offense seems to put up bad number with regularity. Really unfortunate. Anyone have any idea of what's going on?
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 28, 2009 21:35:14 GMT -5
Again, we need a coaching change but it's not going to happen.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 28, 2009 21:35:59 GMT -5
2008-09 may be the season that not a single Georgetown team in any points-based sport 1 will qualify for the NCAA tournament. That has not happened since Georgetown joined the Big East. There is no single reason as to why this is the case, but there is a larger issue to consider: as fans, we expect Georgetown to be competing for national championships...with an Ivy League philosophy in facilities best suited to a junior college, not even a D-III program. That does not leave much room for error. Two weeks ago, while at the Baylor NIT game, I visited the Baylor facilities: baylorbears.cstv.com/school-bio/bay-facilities-index.html Baylor isn't some big state school, either. Any one of its buildings at GU would collectively bowl us over, but as was said at the game, these were consdered the poorest in the Big 12. As to lacrosse, the Laaxpower forums are all over this issue: is Georgetown undercoached, overcoached, not recruiting the right talent, or as one poster asked, more interested in "representing" itself as a major program than "competing" as one? Or, should Georgetown be content to have plateaued in lacrosse and accept a back seat as some have suggested it has done in other sports like baseball, football, soccer, tennis, and volleyball? No easy answers there. 1 Track not included.
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 29, 2009 15:36:57 GMT -5
DFW, thanks for not including track, which has provided a bunch of All Americans this year. One of those, Dan Nunn, just ran the fastest 10000m in the nation this weekend. And track does not have the best facilities either.
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Post by reformation on Mar 29, 2009 20:33:40 GMT -5
Or, should Georgetown be content to have plateaued in lacrosse and accept a back seat as some have suggested it has done in other sports like baseball, football, soccer, tennis, and volleyball? No easy answers there.
A couple of thoughts--
Re: lacrosse I think the AD has to assess whether the recent troubles are random ups and downs or part of a secular trend-unfortunately many signs are pointing to the latter--
Lax is not like some of the other sports you mentioned like tennis, volleyball, baseball because it is a full scholarship program that may also carry a high academic as well as economic cost--it would seem hard to justify the current investment in the program if its going to be a top 20 rather than a final four potential type program--i'm not saying we shouldn't focus on having an elite lacrosse program but rather seriously competing for a natl championship should be the objective if we're going to have it as a full scholarship + high profile coach sport.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Mar 29, 2009 21:08:51 GMT -5
"2008-09 may be the season that not a single Georgetown team in any points-based sport1 will qualify for the NCAA tournament. That has not happened since Georgetown joined the Big East."
You don't like the chances for women's lax? Unlike the men they have no disappointing loses and are undefeated in Big East play (including a road win against Notre Dame, who along with Cuse and us are the at the top of the conference). And that nice win against Duke helps their chances.
As for the men's team I imagine the head guys in the ECAC are laughing their heads off that we are ditching them because we we deemed ourselves to be too good for them. Since this year is basically already a failure we need to right ourselves before we make the transition to the Big East.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Mar 30, 2009 11:50:33 GMT -5
I've been worried about our offense for years. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I always felt like we couldn't get good shots on goal. Our shooting percentages (shots to goals) have always been lower than the other top teams.
But I agree with some others that Urick will be here as long as he wants to be here. It's up to him to change in order to improve, or move over.
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