dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 4, 2009 14:37:17 GMT -5
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2009 15:04:34 GMT -5
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 4, 2009 15:11:45 GMT -5
whoa, it only took 5 years for Esherick nostalgia...I though such a phenomenon wasn't remotely possible.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Mar 4, 2009 15:11:47 GMT -5
Did Hoyatalk just get spammed?
What the hell does mystorytoscreen.com have to do with anything?
That's for signature lines.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Mar 4, 2009 15:12:15 GMT -5
i will pay the way for an official to come down here and read your horrible threads
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Mar 4, 2009 15:21:05 GMT -5
organic arts: edited. Go away.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 4, 2009 15:24:12 GMT -5
organic arts: You are a moron, a spammer, and a horrible American. Go away. hahaha a horrible american...Bando you just made me laugh out loud over here |
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2009 15:28:21 GMT -5
Okay, so the question is phrased kind of ugly, but I'd like to point this out in response:
Which of the following are really big brawlers?
Jeff was a warrior but always had a bit of finesse in him.
Roy? No.
JW? No.
Brandon? DJ? Cook? No.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 4, 2009 15:34:12 GMT -5
Okay, so the question is phrased kind of ugly, but I'd like to point this out in response: Which of the following are really big brawlers? Jeff was a warrior but always had a bit of finesse in him. Roy? No. JW? No. Brandon? DJ? Cook? No. Um, Jeff was a warrior who had finesse in parts of his game, but not himself. he was tough as nails. Roy was a Big East player. He was mentally tough and wasn't afraid to compete. JW was a Big East player. He was mentally tough in crunch time. Again, those guys won a Big East tournament championship and went to a Final Four. Cook, DJ, and Brandon were Big East caliber, and athletic enough to run with anybody in the Big East, and had no sense of fear. I mean, those guys were part of the Sweet 16 team that gave Florida a tough run. Big East aint just about being physical. its about an attitude and mental toughness. Our team right now, lack the mental toughness to survive the Big East right now...hence our record...an lapses in judgement in games. |
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hoyasexy
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Post by hoyasexy on Mar 4, 2009 15:37:05 GMT -5
The team is young. They will learn mental toughness.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Mar 4, 2009 15:41:49 GMT -5
Bowman "had no sense of fear"? Okay. I seem to remember hoping he'd show up to compete instead of stink it up and he was a SR who started for 4 years.
I agree with your points Way--but I disagree in lauding some of the players. I like Roy Hibbert a lot--but I think he had no clue when it came to understanding how to lead. He was into growing hair/beard out, not talking to opponents before games, and his T-Shirt and non-T-Shirt crap was a joke.
Simply stated--it's about learning how to play through rough patches in a game. That might mean you have to sacrifice part of your game for better of team, or supporting teammates from bench if you have a bad night, or passing up FGA's for Assists. The most important thing to get positive attention to yourself as a player is to contribute to winning program. If you win--you get more credit then you often deserve as a player, but you also get rewarded by trophies, accolades, and in long run you learn to overcome difficult situations and succeed.
I think Hoyas need guys who HATE LOSING more then they love to win. Who doesn't love winning? Find me people who despise the thought of losing and you'll have the type of people we need to get back on top. That means winning is more important then stats, your NBA potential, and who gets credit when you do win, which a lot of kids today take issue with.
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Post by dcc33 on Mar 4, 2009 15:42:27 GMT -5
Nobody ever got tough without being beaten up first - something nobody on this team has really experienced at this level. A season off to recover, some serious time spent in the weightroom and conditioning together, and a clean slate will have these guys much improved next year.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2009 15:45:52 GMT -5
The team is young. They will learn mental toughness. If the class of 2008 can do it, and remember, they didn't show a lot of toughness while dropping their last 5 regular season games their freshman year, including a horrible loss at MSG to a St. John's team that went 1-15 in the BE (any of which would have been enough to get them into the tournament), this year's team can too. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 4, 2009 15:46:54 GMT -5
I have a story I'd like to turn into a screen play. Can anyone help me with that?
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2009 15:48:27 GMT -5
I'm fine with saying they weren't mentally tough, but the OP was certainly implying physical toughness with the original BE/ACC comment.
I was merely recounting that our team wasn't exactly winning with a DeJuan Blair/Jeff Adrien frontcourt.
EDIT: Corrected for a rather important typo.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 4, 2009 16:05:36 GMT -5
I'm fine with saying they were mentally tough, but the OP was certainly implying physical toughness with the original BE/ACC comment. I was merely recounting that our team wasn't exactly winning with a DeJuan Blair/Jeff Adrien frontcourt. that is true. We have never played like Pittsburgh does. Pittsburgh reminds me of JT2's style of play, but.... i think the original poster was trying to hint at that (outside of the ACC reference), that III had tremendous success with players that Esh had recruited, and now that III has all of his recruits...things aren't working well right now in the Big East. its a little bit premature to insinuate that. but if in 2 years we are having these same problems (which i doubt), then it does raise the question. |
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royski
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Post by royski on Mar 4, 2009 16:18:38 GMT -5
During a season with a clear leadership void, I'm disappointed that JTIII wasn't a little bit more emphatic on the sidelines, and seemed to have no desire to take on the onus of leadership of the team himself. I understand that's "who he is", but that sort of fire hasn't been necessary the last few years, because the players on the floor brought it every day. Jeff Green was heavily under-recruited and played with a chip on his shoulder. Roy Hibbert came to Georgetown to be the next great big man. Patrick Ewing Jr. doesn't need an explanation for his fire every day in a Hoya uniform. Jon Wallace was told he was too small and too unathletic to compete in the Big East. Tyler Crawford was from all accounts a total warrior.
With such an exodus of on court fire and passion, I wish JTIII tried to take over, and cover for a young team still figuring out who it's leaders are. Sometimes I felt like he just left them out to dry a little bit. But we have to remember that JTIII is a young coach as well, and he's gonna make mistakes. This was a badly coached season. It doesn't mean he's a bad coach. But it does mean he's going to have to work to fix some problems. Butler would KILL for the talent level of this team, and they're younger than us, and they'll be dancing. A team with 8 top 100 recruits, including 3 McD AA's just can't miss the tournament without SOME blame being directed at the coach. I think III knows this and he'll get better.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 4, 2009 16:26:31 GMT -5
a) I'm not a spammer b) i've been on here since 1995 at least c) i'm not a moron...ask your girl... chi www.mystorytoscreen.com |
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 4, 2009 16:29:09 GMT -5
i posted this for a sincere discussion. it appears this way. we need SIZE which is a big east trait. and DEFENSE which is a big east trait. I love JTIII and (i have a special affinity for his mom who helped me to get a quality education). I think he's a good coach. just asking the question for THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME. Right now, we don't have the bangers...ST. John's is HORRIBLE.
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Mar 4, 2009 16:36:41 GMT -5
I think it's a bit of a strech to say that III had success with people Esh recruited, at least to the extent that you're trying to imply that III was just riding on Esh's coat tails. For starters, the starting point guard wasn't an Esh recruit. Ewing Jr., not an Esh recruit. Sapp, not an Esh recruit.
Second, so what? Does anyone honestly believe that we should credit Esh for those guys, or that they would have accomplished as much with Esh at the helm? It's not like Roy was a huge heralded recruit. We got him because 1) he wanted to go to Gtown and 2) the dude could barely run when he came in. Roy, through his own hard work and III's coaching, became the player he was. Never in a hundred years would he have developed as far and as fast under Esh. Green was not as heralded coming out either. Fact is, those guys fell in Esh's lap, and yes, in III's lap as well. But if you think those players and this program would have risen to the level we've enjoyed this last few years, well...you never saw Esh coach.
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