Air Jordan
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Post by Air Jordan on Mar 4, 2009 12:04:13 GMT -5
Man I know we are all disappointed but man, you guys are incredible. Calling out the coach, the players, the system. Bando I'm with you man, anything can happen on any given night in the BE this year. We just didnt have it last night, and somethings need to be corrected yes, but to call out the team and the coaching staff is a bit much. I still stand behind them because it wasnt so long ago that GTown University Mens Basketball team had become the laughing stock of the nation. So I see how quickly spoiled we have gotten in so short period of time. JTIII knows what hes doing, the squad will be revamped next year, and we will have good games and bad games come with the territory. But as always WE ARE
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hoyarad
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Post by hoyarad on Mar 4, 2009 12:24:49 GMT -5
I don't think everyone is spoiled. We've just come to expect a level of play and confidence that the Hoyas this year haven't shown. Their play is frustrating everyone and this is the forum to express that frustration. Whatever happens in the next 3 weeks, GO HOYAS!
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Post by Bando on Mar 4, 2009 12:31:45 GMT -5
I don't think everyone is spoiled. We've just come to expect a level of play and confidence that the Hoyas this year haven't shown. Their play is frustrating everyone and this is the forum to express that frustration. Whatever happens in the next 3 weeks, GO HOYAS! But the only reason you have those higher expectations are because of JTIII's success, which is why it's maddening to the see the Esh comparisons, the questioning of the offensive system, and even the few calls for termination that have emanated from this board. |
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Post by hoyarad on Mar 4, 2009 12:39:37 GMT -5
Well I don't agree with the Esh comparisons, questioning of the offensive system, nor demands for termination----that stuff is silly and why I generally just "skip" those posts. The team is what it is this season. How they lose a 15 point lead with 10 minutes left, when SJU doesn't have a field goal in the second half until 6 minutes left is unfathomable. For me, it sums up the whole season. We don't deserve an NCAA bid although I'd love to have one.
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Air Jordan
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Post by Air Jordan on Mar 4, 2009 12:43:57 GMT -5
Yes, I would love to have a bid also, but the team is what it is this year. We can build on this and go forth from here. We will be better next year no question, but some of these posters on here are crazy. Seems to follow the UMCP, ACC, crowd with some of the comments on here. JTIII will return, and I will be behind him, I will continue to go to games at the phone booth. Calling for III to be fired is just classic, WE ARE
GEORGETOWN
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 4, 2009 12:54:14 GMT -5
I agree any comparison to the Esh era is ludicrous. However, JT3 has brought the program to a level where this type of season is inexcusable and he would be the first to tell you. Like I said before, any question whatsoever regarding whether JT3 is the perfect fit for this program is wrong. But he has taken the program to new heights and it is reasonable for the fans to have a NEW LEVEL OF EXPECTATIONS. Saying that everything is OK because we are not in the Esh era anymore is dumb. This is not 2005.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 4, 2009 13:13:30 GMT -5
Calling for JTIII to be fired is beyond ridiculous, but so is blindly defending him and completely absolving him of blame for this awful, awful season. This is his program, these are his players, this is his team.
At this point name one thing the team does well:
- our offense is stagnant
- our defense is lazy (with some exceptions)
- we are a terrible rebounding team
- we constantly turn the ball over
- we miss key free throws
- we can't execute inbounds passes
- we can't effectively break a press
If III (rightfully) reaps the praise when the team succeeds, then he also must shoulder the blame when it does not. I suspect that he is more than enough of a man to do so, and he will be a better coach for it.
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Air Jordan
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Post by Air Jordan on Mar 4, 2009 13:36:17 GMT -5
Oh I have no doubt he will revamp the squad and they will be better come 7 months from now. But reading that he needs to be replaced, it just blows me away completely.
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Post by Bando on Mar 4, 2009 13:53:19 GMT -5
Calling for JTIII to be fired is beyond ridiculous, but so is blindly defending him and completely absolving him of blame for this awful, awful season. This is his program, these are his players, this is his team. At this point name one thing the team does well: - our offense is stagnant - our defense is lazy (with some exceptions) - we are a terrible rebounding team - we constantly turn the ball over - we miss key free throws - we can't execute inbounds passes - we can't effectively break a press If III (rightfully) reaps the praise when the team succeeds, then he also must shoulder the blame when it does not. I suspect that he is more than enough of a man to do so, and he will be a better coach for it. I don't think anyone is absolving him of blame. We're just trying to reestablish perspective in the face of a fanbase that seems to have lost its collective mind. |
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Post by hoyarad on Mar 4, 2009 14:08:03 GMT -5
Calling for JTIII to be fired is beyond ridiculous, but so is blindly defending him and completely absolving him of blame for this awful, awful season. This is his program, these are his players, this is his team. At this point name one thing the team does well: - our offense is stagnant - our defense is lazy (with some exceptions) - we are a terrible rebounding team - we constantly turn the ball over - we miss key free throws - we can't execute inbounds passes - we can't effectively break a press If III (rightfully) reaps the praise when the team succeeds, then he also must shoulder the blame when it does not. I suspect that he is more than enough of a man to do so, and he will be a better coach for it. I don't think anyone is absolving him of blame. We're just trying to reestablish perspective in the face of a fanbase that seems to have lost its collective mind. 1. We are an awful rebounding team. 2. If we had a better inside/outside game, our offense wouldn't be so stagnant. These two things could have been improved upon (ie changing coching strategy), but haven't. The others, such as free throws being missed, are player dependent. Don't know how to explain those. The season has been a surprise given JTIII's success thus far. Of course he deserves a lot of the blame but a lot of posts are just overboard. |
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Post by summersshowers on Mar 4, 2009 14:15:23 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is absolving him of blame. We're just trying to reestablish perspective in the face of a fanbase that seems to have lost its collective mind. 1. We are an awful rebounding team. 2. If we had a better inside/outside game, our offense wouldn't be so stagnant. These two things could have been improved upon (ie changing coching strategy), but haven't. The others, such as free throws being missed, are player dependent. Don't know how to explain those. The season has been a surprise given JTIII's success thus far. Of course he deserves a lot of the blame but a lot of posts are just overboard. couldn't disagree more. rebounding is more of a player thing imho. the guys can be coached on it to a point, but at the end of the day you've got put your body in front of someone and go after the ball, and III can't do that. and as far as press-breaking and inbounds plays go, that is 90% coaching. |
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 4, 2009 14:19:07 GMT -5
1. We are an awful rebounding team. 2. If we had a better inside/outside game, our offense wouldn't be so stagnant. These two things could have been improved upon (ie changing coching strategy), but haven't. The others, such as free throws being missed, are player dependent. Don't know how to explain those. The season has been a surprise given JTIII's success thus far. Of course he deserves a lot of the blame but a lot of posts are just overboard. couldn't disagree more. rebounding is more of a player thing imho. the guys can be coached on it to a point, but at the end of the day you've got put your body in front of someone and go after the ball, and III can't do that. and as far as press-breaking and inbounds plays go, that is 90% coaching. Come on....Opponent's offensive rebounding has been a major problem since day 1 |
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Air Jordan
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Post by Air Jordan on Mar 4, 2009 14:23:09 GMT -5
Well he also cant make a player shoot instead of pass when he is like 2 feet from the rim. Some of these posts are over the top. I understand people are upset, thats why I waited until today to post. Alot of people I suspect think we should be in the final four every two years. I mean it takes work to replace, a Hibbert, Wallace, Ewing Jr. Not going to happen over night, and clearly III knows that. He knows the teams weaknesses, so he will recruit to fix them. As we all have been reading, he is on the move trying to get in new players, and I have no doubts he will have this squad revamped for next year. I trust in III,
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Mar 4, 2009 14:30:21 GMT -5
Yes, I would love to have a bid also, but the team is what it is this year. We can build on this and go forth from here. We will be better next year no question, but some of these posters on here are crazy. Seems to follow the UMCP, ACC, crowd with some of the comments on here. JTIII will return, and I will be behind him, I will continue to go to games at the phone booth. Calling for III to be fired is just classic, WE ARE GEORGETOWN First things first- I hate the phrase "it is what it is". Yes, it's absurd to call for his firing, but this "aw shucks, better luck next time" attitude isn't for elite teams. I don't think any Georgetown fan came into this season thinking we were not getting a tourney bid. We were ranked in the top ten this year and completely fell off the handle. From 12-3 to start the season to 3-10 to end it is just plain unacceptable. And don't give the argument that the Big East is a tough conference to play in. Of course it is. That doesn't excuse pitiful play, mistakes that don't seem to get corrected, and what I and a good deal of other posters feel is a failure of coaching. These are a talented bunch of guys, but this is not a talented team at the moment. The coaching failed, and the players failed, period. |
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Air Jordan
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Post by Air Jordan on Mar 4, 2009 14:38:19 GMT -5
Ok so I see your argument so I guess the cure is to ESH JT III huh. Ok lets go ahead and fire him and bring in a great coach and lets win championship after championship with out a poor or disappointing season. Bad seasons happen in all sports fellas, so lets go ahead and fire everyone and revamp the whole system since thats the problem also.
You guys are the greatest fanbase ever. WE ARE
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Mar 4, 2009 14:42:22 GMT -5
I believe I said it was absurd to call for his firing, did I not? Did you even read my post? My point is simply that venting about what we feel are poor coaching decisions and poor play is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, I think the more unproductive thing to do is sweep the season under the rug, like it never happened, which seems to be what you're advocating.
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 4, 2009 14:48:53 GMT -5
I haven't seen one post calling for his firing.....
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2009 14:50:21 GMT -5
I believe I said it was absurd to call for his firing, did I not? Did you even read my post? My point is simply that venting about what we feel are poor coaching decisions and poor play is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, I think the more unproductive thing to do is sweep the season under the rug, like it never happened, which seems to be what you're advocating. I think we've got confusion here over the influence of the board on anything. Honestly, like it or not, the staff isn't reading this board. People in athletics/the administration might be doing so, but they aren't taking any of this seriously. We're a bunch of armchair coaches with a tiny portion of the knowledge and information Thompson has. So "sweeping it under the rug" or "constructive criticism" have really no influence on the program at this point. Perhaps if we have five years of this, maybe. But Bernard Muir isn't sitting down with Thompson and saying, "You know, on the message boards, they think your coaching style is too laid back." So let's just stop pretending you and other people are venting "for the good of the program." You're venting because you are angry and frustrated. I get it. I am/was, too, and stayed away from the board last night because of it. I vented privately with a friend. Is that any better? I dunno. But venting isn't improving anything. |
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Mar 4, 2009 15:00:19 GMT -5
Again, I don't know who's posts you're reading. Did I insinuate that anyone on the team/coaches/administrators were reading these posts? Or that my opinion would make any difference to them? I'm pretty sure I didn't. The only point I'm trying to make is that I think these boards serve a purpose of fans coming together to try to figure out what is going on with the team, whether good or bad. If someone feels that Jessie is completely dogging it on the court or Monroe needs to be more aggressive, you can start a discussion here about that.
But, the worse attitude to take, in my opinion, is to pretend the season never happened; to ignore the mistakes, and say "well, better luck next year".
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2009 15:05:13 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm extrapolating too much when you say the worse attitude is to "sweep it under ther rug." It seems like you feel that venting will cause some improvement of the team. I just think that's highly unlikely.
Obviously, your post is reasonable -- so I don't really want to single you out but I guess you were just easy to reply to (and likely to actually respond normally) -- but there's a common theme amongst many folks venting that we need to say this because the staff and players need to know they are doing wrong and how to improve.
The scoreboard is much louder and more respected than this; if people don't change behaviors based on losing, they aren't going to because of venting on here. And most of us -- maybe all -- have no clue how to fix this, anyway.
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