JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Feb 25, 2009 14:29:54 GMT -5
I love it.
That Vox Populi article is great and its even better when you read the names involved. What a joke. I love seeing these imbeciles get red in the face. MAY THE RACE FOR THE ULTIMATE HOYA RESUME ITEM NEVER END!
They should seriously turn the GUSA election season into a television show.
Vote for Calen and Kluger, if only because their names weren't mentioned!
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Feb 25, 2009 14:34:29 GMT -5
I think next year I'm gonna go ahead and post illegal flyers for all of the candidates and get the entire election disqualified hahahahaha.
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 25, 2009 14:57:58 GMT -5
I think next year I'm gonna go ahead and post illegal flyers for all of the candidates and get the entire election disqualified hahahahaha. Now that's a plan to get behind.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 25, 2009 15:07:53 GMT -5
This latest election chicanery doesn't sell DeGioia one bit that the GUSA president is somehow more a "leader" than a cashier at Vittles. Odds are quite good that more students respect the cashier at Vittles, and he/she is probably a stronger leader, too...just a humble one who's willing to bag your groceries.
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 25, 2009 15:25:04 GMT -5
This latest election chicanery doesn't sell DeGioia one bit that the GUSA president is somehow more a "leader" than a cashier at Vittles. Odds are quite good that more students respect the cashier at Vittles, and he/she is probably a stronger leader, too...just a humble one who's willing to bag your groceries. Also, the Vittles cashier has more day-to-day contact with the majority of the student body than the GUSA president ever does. I'm lucky I can name one, maybe two presidents from when I was on the Hilltop. But most people know the Vittles/Snaxa cashiers.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 25, 2009 15:32:25 GMT -5
I was friends with the GUSA President my freshman year and my senior year. In both cases, I don't think the GUSA office was used for anything except late night drinking.
One can only hope this is still the case.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 25, 2009 16:21:22 GMT -5
It was an older form of student government, where representation was determined by club membership instead of class. It basically disenfranchised anyone not in a club and elevated the power of those who were "involved". So it needed to be destroyed. If someone were to survey all of the students who don't belong to a campus club or other affinity group, would any of them care about the GUSA presidency? The student government, whatever its structure, primarily affects other student organizations. It has no impact on the lives of the unorganized student. DFW- Thank you for the extensive detail. I thought I knew a fair amount of Georgetown history but I guess I never fully appreciated that deep divide between main campus and east campus. As for the fateful decision of "going co-ed" I believe the same applies. I could be wrong, but I believe SFS, Business, and Nursing each admitted women to their student bodies from their founding forward. I mean, seriously, do you really think Bill Clinton would have gone to a college campus devoid of women?
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Feb 25, 2009 18:46:02 GMT -5
I think next year I'm gonna go ahead and post illegal flyers for all of the candidates and get the entire election disqualified hahahahaha. Or just vote for Hipple/Feng this year, so there's no election next year! Seriously, if those guys post a competitive showing, GUSA might not survive the shame.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Feb 25, 2009 20:21:17 GMT -5
The only reason i know two of GUSA presidents names is because one had an outrageous name (Twister) and the other sat next to me in History last year (Dowd). Beyond that the only thing i have ever seen the GUSA president do is when twister gave a speech at my freshman orientation. There is a real lack of noticeable action by GUSA (not saying it doesnt happen). This has clearly been the case for years and probably will never change.
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Post by hoyafever on Feb 26, 2009 0:14:21 GMT -5
rosslyn - I can pretty much assure you that most people from campus clubs also don't care about GUSA.
The real problem with GUSA is that all those people who run campus clubs know that they have a greater impact working in their individual club, whether it be the Corp, IRC, or whatever, so they stick to that and don't get involved in GUSA. What you get is a student government where the best, most knowledgeable, and most able leaders on campus do things like try to run the Corp, GPB, Senior Class Committee and so on and the people who run GUSA are simply not as knowledgeable or talented at representing the student body, many of whom run because the want the title or "power."
This is a big advantage of something like the Yard in that you get those people representing the student body, however, Bando's point pop's the hole in the Yard's bubble: it is based on an unfair theory that the only way to be a good Georgetown student worthy of representation is to be involved on campus. All Georgetown students deserve a voice in our community, not just us type-A overly-driven Hoyas.
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Post by washingtonhoya on Feb 26, 2009 2:30:48 GMT -5
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Feb 26, 2009 8:40:13 GMT -5
First the Lizard people and now Hipple/Feng! When will this injustice end!!
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 26, 2009 9:33:45 GMT -5
Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others. Pepco and GUSA for none!
The Lizard People platform is ever-expanding, despite its deceptive simplicity.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 26, 2009 10:58:59 GMT -5
This is a big advantage of something like the Yard in that you get those people representing the student body, however, Bando's point pop's the hole in the Yard's bubble: it is based on an unfair theory that the only way to be a good Georgetown student worthy of representation is to be involved on campus. All Georgetown students deserve a voice in our community, not just us type-A overly-driven Hoyas. But I think everyone, type-A or type-B, can agree that GUSA is not a voice for the students because no one can possibly take them seriously. I think it's safe to assume that most high school student governments have more responsibility than Georgetown's. I contend that the students who care about Georgetown would be better served by a student government acknowledged as the representative of the "students who are involved" instead of being the guys with funny names who ran a clever two-week campaign and then faded into irrelevency (except of course for The Hoya columnist assigned to the lucrative GUSA beat). The strength of a/the Chamber of Commerce is the best analogy I've got at hand. Consumers and unions don't have a "voice" per se but when the CoC makes its pitch to the political leadership (e.g., the University admin), consumers and unions are ultimately benefited by the pro-growth policies that the organization advocates. I almost regret not being a Yard supporter while I was a student. But then again, as others have pointed out, those people were tools.
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Feb 26, 2009 11:15:06 GMT -5
I love this line at the end of the Council ruling: "The above rulings do not make a statement about the adequacy of the GUSA Constitution and Bylaws, nor do they make a statement about the role of Georgetown University policy in GUSA elections and in other GUSA affairs."
This election is actually even funnier than a lot of people realize, but I can't talk about that part here without giving away the game! Suffice it to say that GUSA is even more incompetent than I ever imagined.
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Feb 26, 2009 11:42:04 GMT -5
I don't actually understand why students need their own government anyway (other than to pad resumes). Wouldn't an undergraduate student union serve everyone's needs a lot better?
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Feb 26, 2009 12:03:59 GMT -5
These people are such tools. Can someone please tell me one thing that you remember GUSA doing during your undergrad experience that made a positive change in your life as a student?
I can't think of anything. I'm sure there were some programs they put on that I attended, but I can't think of any time I was thankful that GUSA existed - and I'm pretty sure that most of their work could be done without GUSA. The Corp and the Credit Union did much more for me as a student than anything GUSA ever did.
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Post by washingtonhoya on Feb 26, 2009 14:03:36 GMT -5
These people are such tools. Can someone please tell me one thing that you remember GUSA doing during your undergrad experience that made a positive change in your life as a student? I can't think of anything. I'm sure there were some programs they put on that I attended, but I can't think of any time I was thankful that GUSA existed - and I'm pretty sure that most of their work could be done without GUSA. The Corp and the Credit Union did much more for me as a student than anything GUSA ever did. I share in your GUSA libertarianism, but we can't entirely write off GUSA as doing nothing to affect positive change- They've definitely been a constant source of entertainment, and I'm sure the Heckler staff (that one guy who writes everything) are grateful for all the material.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 26, 2009 21:44:28 GMT -5
GUSA has no effect on anyone except people in GUSA. They have no power and most people don't even know who the president is much less any of the senators. They could disband it and no one would know or care.
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Feb 27, 2009 0:14:24 GMT -5
The shortened version of the Hipple/Feng manifesto: www.thehoya.com/node/18125Rumor has it that the election will be re-run tomorrow. Get all your friends to vote for Hipple/Feng and be rid of GUSA for once and for all!
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