Elmore Was Awful Today

[RDF]

What was with Elmore? I have been a huge supporter of his--but a few things I took issue with:

1. If you want to focus on elbow incident -which ESPN had plenty of time to do---why not go back to the history that Summers and Onganeat had dating back to first game between teams this year--the intentional on breakaway. That matters if you ask me--but we don't see a highlight of that at all.

2. Officials are going to be proactive in games--so they saw it and realized it needed to be called. A swim technique is completely different then what he was attempting to do. I laugh thinking it gets you ejected--in old days--it might have cleared benches and got teams into it more. ;D

3. WTF was with the analysis of Hasheem Thabeet during a Cuse-Hoya game? I could give a crap about that guy while I'm trying to enjoy my team playing.

4. Summers makes a wonderful pass (need more of them Dajuan! ) to Monroe for a layup and he had 3 different replays and each one he compliments Monroe for the PASS.

5. Keeps talking about Cuse needing their bigs late--but Onuaku was as responsible for letting Hoyas back in it--due to his awful FT shooting-and Rick Jackson splitting a pair didn't hurt Hoyas cause either.

6. Does what all media types do at this time--starts to project the NCAA field. Guess what--there are 8-10 teams that have a legit chance to win 6 games each season. It's great to get into the thing--but the overhype of who is "on the bubble" is ridiculous. I don't just blame Lenny-as all of them do it--but it's tiresome.

Now maybe it has to due with being in person to see the Hoyas give his Terps a viscious beatdown--but Elmore has been bad this year. He's usually a good announcer and has a good read on Big East hoops and a game--but he was all over the place today and Dave Pasch--a Cuse alum was much better. I think he's a very good announcer and does a nice job going with excitement of game--and not letting who is involved dictate that. (Cough McDonough)

ESPN wise--why the cutaway to a game between a good program (Texas) and a school that likely has more people dealing Valentines Day Peyote Pamphlets then caring if they were playing (Colorado).

Along with showing Black Costanza (Mike Tirico) and his family being at game which meant........Tirico is a homer like everyone else at ESPN--Stu Scott, Berman the DipFECES, etc....and guess they didn't recognize PE JR who was behind Hoya bench--although I thought it was fine they showed/focused on Donte Greene--which made sense and Elmore brought up good points on how he should've stayed in college.

Just hope Elmore steps it up--because he is better then what he showed today.

[njhoya06]

On ESPN criticisms, I couldn't believe we didn't get a couple decent replays of Chris's fifth foul. It was only the biggest play of the game with a done of dead time after it.

[Bay99]

Agree. I usually think Elmore is a good gamecaller but he was really, really bad today. ESPN in general was terrible. The whole game seemed filmed through orange-tinted lenses. And some of those cameras were just awful. Not to mention the cut to a lousy Texas-Colorado matchup at 4-2 with a stoppage for a bleeding arm. (No, we didn't miss any action. But come on.)

I just thought Elmore was bad at his job today, epitomized with the harping (and incorrect) "analysis" on Ongenaaaaaaaeraeret's shot to the back of Dajuan's head. He had a lousy broadcast.

[whatmaroon]

Agreed, generally, RDF, particularly the Thabeet thing, but not on the UT-CU cutaway. That's the next game on, and helps assuage the fans of those teams. If instead of another game on after Hoyas there was instead SportsCenter or a World's Strongest Man competition, they would've just gone to commercial. Think of it as an in-house commercial for staying tuned to ESPN after the game was over.

[wildhoya]

and a school that likely has more people dealing Valentines Day Peyote Pamphlets then caring if they were playing (Colorado).

Nice stereotype, RDF.

By the way, this group of Hoyas could profit by watching tape of Buffaloes against Texas sharing the ball, working for good shots, and refusing to panic at the least little adversity.

[RDF]

Feb 14, 2009 20:40:41 GMT -5 wildhoya said:

and a school that likely has more people dealing Valentines Day Peyote Pamphlets then caring if they were playing (Colorado).

Nice stereotype, RDF.

By the way, this group of Hoyas could profit by watching tape of Buffaloes against Texas sharing the ball, working for good shots, and refusing to panic at the least little adversity.

Take it easy John Denver.

Sorry but Colorado has the most passive/lame basketball following I've ever seen--and that includes for the Nuggets. You have "Rivalry Week" and 2 basketball schools and storied programs in Syracuse and Georgetown--and if fans have television on--they can read something at bottom of screen--like say on the TICKER they run constantly that says "TEXAS-COLORADO WILL BE SEEN ON ESPN NEWS until this game is completed". Is that so hard to comprehend Dan Hawkins?

[wildhoya]

"Sorry but Colorado has the most passive/lame basketball following I've ever seen--and that includes for the Nuggets. "

Yeah , kinda like our very own Hoyas circa 2003-2004.

As anywhere, just win ---and they will come to jump up and down mindlessly with their collective nonverbal faux Dukie vocalizing.


Hoya Saxa

[Hoya50]

i used to live in denver and couldn't agree more. that town is a bronco town and oh by the way the rockies and nuggets play there as well.

i can't knock elmore too much. i agree the elbow thing was ridiculous. when you play basketball, you're in complete control of your body and that wasn't an accidental slip of the elbow. that was trying to get away with something.

i think elmore is getting too old to call these games. he should be in the studio.

[RDF]

Feb 14, 2009 20:57:11 GMT -5 wildhoya said:

"Sorry but Colorado has the most passive/lame basketball following I've ever seen--and that includes for the Nuggets. "

Yeah , kinda like our very own Hoyas circa 2003-2004.

As anywhere, just win ---and they will come to jump up and down mindlessly with their collective nonverbal faux Dukie vocalizing.


Hoya Saxa

Okay--then let's schedule a home and home with Colorado and play it in Steamboat Springs, Veil, or in Elway's bathroom while he's yelling "Let's Get Ready to Mutombo" as he drops a load. Would that make up for the slight?

Georgetown basketball is more important to it's fanbase just like Buff Football is to theirs. I'm sorry to say it would be similar statement from me if a Hoya fan complained about Buffs going to OT with Texas in FOOTBALL--but I'm honest. I guess I've infuriated the one guy who remembers the Chauncey Billups "era" in Boulder.

[HealyHoya]

Back on topic, Elmore was awful and equating that cheap shot with a swim move was laughable.

[wildhoya]

"home and home with Colorado"

yeah, Freeman's nightmare--40 minutes at a mile high.

[SirSaxa]

Feb 14, 2009 21:21:48 GMT -5 HealyHoya said:

Back on topic, Elmore was awful and equating that cheap shot with a swim move was laughable.

Especially because he was so insistent and continued that line throughout the game. The refs didn't agree with him and the reply told the story to anyone who wanted to look.

It must have been his inner terrapin sneaking out. maybe that W. Post series got him riled up. He seemed to be in Boeheim's corner today.

generally, though, I think he is a pretty good color guy. Not today though.

[CTHoya08]

And why did ESPN keep showing all three angles on the replay? From two of them the players in question were off screen, while the third clearly showed what happened. Why even bother with the first two?

[dehoya]

Elmore was to Cuse yesterday what Vitale is during Duke games.

[michiganhoya]

The lack of a replay on Wright's 5th foul was atrocious. It was a bs call ...

Every time they replayed the clip of Summers getting elbowed in the head, the more upset I'd get with Elmore. I sat next to some Cuse fans yesterday at ESPN Zone in DC and even they couldn't defend that shot to the head.

[RDF]

Feb 15, 2009 14:58:21 GMT -5 michiganhoya said:

The lack of a replay on Wright's 5th foul was atrocious. It was a bs call ...

Every time they replayed the clip of Summers getting elbowed in the head, the more upset I'd get with Elmore. I sat next to some Cuse fans yesterday at ESPN Zone in DC and even they couldn't defend that shot to the head.

Good point on Chris' 5th foul and also just can't believe they didn't once think of the first game interaction between Summers and Onganeat.

[hoopsmccan]

Elmore was brutal overall. Regarding the elbow, it seemed like he wanted to drive the point home that kids aren't being taught the right fundamentals. He stated his thesis and then hammered away in support of it...video tape evidence to the contrary be damned.

It was especially weak that they didn't mention the player's history after the elbow occurred - I originally chalked it up to them forgetting about it. But Elmore kept talking about the elbow well after the point that somebody - a producer, stat guy, other announcer..somebody - must have let him know about the previous game. That shows that he just didn't care; he had his point and he wasn't going deviate from his lesson plan. That is a disservice to the viewer. Not everyone watching is a big Hoyas or Cuse fan that would know about the history...that is the exact type of information that an announcer is supposed to bring to the table.

hm

[cusefaninvt]

Well, let a Cuse fan chip in here as well. Elmore was terrible, he consistently was calling players by the wrong name. But, the producers didn't help him out at all. Yeah, they showed the play where Summers took it hard to KOng a couple times, but they never once replayed the elbow Summers gave to KO's face immediately before the elbow Kristoff threw at Summers. Yes, it was intentional, but no it shouldn't have gotten him tossed. And Summers should be up for an Oscar for his 'overreaction' to that elbow. Kristoff wears a giant pad on that elbow, it didn't hurt that much. Stand up and be a man.

Anyway, I'm not sure why they didn't show that but if you watch the play closely, you will see exactly what I mean. KO comes down the floor, gives a light elbow to Summer's chest (as if to say, you got me on that one), Summer's raises his arms to show he's the most innocent guy on the floor, then brings his right arm down quick, catching KO's cheek with the right elbow. That's why Kong leveled him. Too bad he got caught. I like his energy though.

[CTHoya08]

Feb 15, 2009 20:59:11 GMT -5 cusefaninvt said:

Well, let a Cuse fan chip in here as well. Elmore was terrible, he consistently was calling players by the wrong name. But, the producers didn't help him out at all. Yeah, they showed the play where Summers took it hard to KOng a couple times, but they never once replayed the elbow Summers gave to KO's face immediately before the elbow Kristoff threw at Summers. Yes, it was intentional, but no it shouldn't have gotten him tossed. And Summers should be up for an Oscar for his 'overreaction' to that elbow. Kristoff wears a giant pad on that elbow, it didn't hurt that much. Stand up and be a man.

Anyway, I'm not sure why they didn't show that but if you watch the play closely, you will see exactly what I mean. KO comes down the floor, gives a light elbow to Summer's chest (as if to say, you got me on that one), Summer's raises his arms to show he's the most innocent guy on the floor, then brings his right arm down quick, catching KO's cheek with the right elbow. That's why Kong leveled him. Too bad he got caught. I like his energy though.

They did show that replay once. It looked like Summers did not elbow him, and the announcers said that. Of course, with the amount of things they got wrong, it is very well possible that Summers did hit him with an elbow. As far as "acting" goes, it's pretty tough to tell when none of the replays are shown at full speed.

[cusefaninvt]

Feb 15, 2009 21:08:58 GMT -5 CTHoya08 said:

Feb 15, 2009 20:59:11 GMT -5 cusefaninvt said:

Well, let a Cuse fan chip in here as well. Elmore was terrible, he consistently was calling players by the wrong name. But, the producers didn't help him out at all. Yeah, they showed the play where Summers took it hard to KOng a couple times, but they never once replayed the elbow Summers gave to KO's face immediately before the elbow Kristoff threw at Summers. Yes, it was intentional, but no it shouldn't have gotten him tossed. And Summers should be up for an Oscar for his 'overreaction' to that elbow. Kristoff wears a giant pad on that elbow, it didn't hurt that much. Stand up and be a man.

Anyway, I'm not sure why they didn't show that but if you watch the play closely, you will see exactly what I mean. KO comes down the floor, gives a light elbow to Summer's chest (as if to say, you got me on that one), Summer's raises his arms to show he's the most innocent guy on the floor, then brings his right arm down quick, catching KO's cheek with the right elbow. That's why Kong leveled him. Too bad he got caught. I like his energy though.

They did show that replay once. It looked like Summers did not elbow him, and the announcers said that. Of course, with the amount of things they got wrong, it is very well possible that Summers did hit him with an elbow. As far as "acting" goes, it's pretty tough to tell when none of the replays are shown at full speed.

The only replay I saw was of the sequence down the other end, where Summers was driving and KO got there a bit too late to get the charge called. That's not the play I'm talking about. It's the same sequence where KOng eventually hit him with the elbow.