The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Feb 11, 2009 18:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by richfame on Feb 11, 2009 18:49:29 GMT -5
The bright side is i think wree going to play like 4 ranked teams in teh next 5 or 6 games. After that were going to teh big east tournment with the possibliity to knock offf one or 2 more ranked teams. We still h ave potential no matter how crappy we play... To me thats teh bright side...
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 11, 2009 22:01:16 GMT -5
The even brighter side is that no matter what else happens this season, we beat the %*&#@$ out of UMCP, and nothing can change that.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 11, 2009 22:15:46 GMT -5
We also beat the heck out of 'Cuse. But it won't mean as much if they return the favor on Sat.
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Feb 12, 2009 0:16:59 GMT -5
As much as many on this board love to bash the terps, I really wonder what the point of that article is supposed to be. As far as I can tell the author's main points are:
a) Maryland has missed on a lot of recruits that went on to have success elsewhere (which pretty much applies to every program in college basketball)
b) There has been a lot of coaching turnover amongst assistants (many of whom moved onto head coaching gigs elsewhere)
Strung together with those two facts is a decent serving of hearsay regarding whether Williams takes enough of a hands on role in recruiting (he probably doesn't, but there are hardly any damning quotes saying that).
Really, they are gonna give him a hard time for missing on Joe Alexander? Didn't pretty much everybody miss on Joe Alexander? Although it may be due to cognitive dissonance, but many on this board have posted that they're glad we didn't get Scottie Reynolds, so missing out on him doesn't seem like much of a crime either. Unless parts 2 and 3 actually have something of merit this really seems like some pretty dubious muckraking on the part of the Post. If that's what getting more coverage in their pages gets you then I'm happy we're not popular enough to merit it.
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Post by Bay99 on Feb 12, 2009 0:58:43 GMT -5
As much as many on this board love to bash the terps, I really wonder what the point of that article is supposed to be. As far as I can tell the author's main points are: a) Maryland has missed on a lot of recruits that went on to have success elsewhere (which pretty much applies to every program in college basketball) b) There has been a lot of coaching turnover amongst assistants (many of whom moved onto head coaching gigs elsewhere) Strung together with those two facts is a decent serving of hearsay regarding whether Williams takes enough of a hands on role in recruiting (he probably doesn't, but there are hardly any damning quotes saying that). Really, they are gonna give him a hard time for missing on Joe Alexander? Didn't pretty much everybody miss on Joe Alexander? Although it may be due to cognitive dissonance, but many on this board have posted that they're glad we didn't get Scottie Reynolds, so missing out on him doesn't seem like much of a crime either. Unless parts 2 and 3 actually have something of merit this really seems like some pretty dubious muckraking on the part of the Post. If that's what getting more coverage in their pages gets you then I'm happy we're not popular enough to merit it. Agreed ... seems a bit thin for a three-part series. Not that I mind a general plague ruining UMCP but this seems like a hatchet job... |
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Post by tashoya on Feb 12, 2009 8:31:55 GMT -5
Not a hatchet job. He's in a rare position being in an area of the country with a glut of young talent. Maybe not enough is included. He got none of the following: Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, DaJuan Summers, Gus Gilchrist, Tyree Evans, Rudy Gay, Carmelo Anthony, Michael Beasley, Rudy Gay, etc., etc. He's not getting good local talent. Period. You could also add to that list Jason Clark, Austin Freeman, Henry Sims and Chris Wright.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 12, 2009 8:32:55 GMT -5
the article is a slam on Gary.
he is and never will be a recruiter like Dean Smith or Roy Williams.
Maryland fan's problems are that they think they are on the level of UNC and Duke. and should get those type players.
and when Gary recruited more touted players they flopped.
Gary is old, and they want him gone. If he won another National title there, that fanbase will still nitpick and say "well...Coach K has 3".
Georgetown looking at Maryland that is down in the dumps aint too much of a bright side.
We got our own problems. Plenty right now.
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Post by guru on Feb 12, 2009 9:30:27 GMT -5
the article is a slam on Gary. he is and never will be a recruiter like Dean Smith or Roy Williams. Maryland fan's problems are that they think they are on the level of UNC and Duke. and should get those type players. and when Gary recruited more touted players they flopped. Gary is old, and they want him gone. If he won another National title there, that fanbase will still nitpick and say "well...Coach K has 3". Georgetown looking at Maryland that is down in the dumps aint too much of a bright side. We got our own problems. Plenty right now. Yeah, right. Our problems are on the level of Maryland's. We're only coming off back to back conference championships, have a YOUNG roster loaded with TALENT and a fantastic coach who has landed huge recruits locally and nationally ever since he arrived. You need to look up the definition of "plenty," my friend. |
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Post by Hoya TMF on Feb 12, 2009 9:58:30 GMT -5
I don't think anyone said our problems were on par with UMD. The poster said we have our own problems. That's true. We have an incredibly talented team, but right now it lacks leadership and the players are in a funk. There are rumors (perhaps unfounded) about dissension on the team and the fact that a three year starter was benched six minutes into a home game that we lost also doesn't look good. And truth be told, if Greg and Summers leave school early (which may be more likely with each loss), then we'll have some serious personnel problems going forward. There's a difference between being negative and realistic. We have some problems. They are nowhere close to UMD's. Still, I would take more joy in UMD's misery if I felt like our ship was in order. Alternatively, I'm thankful we don't have their issues. Winning cures most things.
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Post by the_way on Feb 12, 2009 10:12:44 GMT -5
for argument's sake, let's say we are a very talented team.
Maryland is playing to their full potential with the roster they have, which aint much in the frontcourt and no PG. Inexperienced and young. They have 1 senior. they don't have dissension on their team. everybody is on the same page there. they have chemistry. problem is, they just aint that good. Which is the premise of that entire article. They need better recruited talent, not x's and o's or effort.
If what many on this board says is true, that we, Georgetown, are very talented, can we say the same about our roster. Are we playing to our full potential. So if we are talented, where is the effort? Where is the heart? Why don't we have more wins to show for it?
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Post by kchoya on Feb 12, 2009 11:34:05 GMT -5
for argument's sake, let's say we are a very talented team. Maryland is playing to their full potential with the roster they have, which aint much in the frontcourt and no PG. Inexperienced and young. They have 1 senior. they don't have dissension on their team. everybody is on the same page there. they have chemistry. problem is, they just aint that good. Which is the premise of that entire article. They need better recruited talent, not x's and o's or effort. If what many on this board says is true, that we, Georgetown, are very talented, can we say the same about our roster. Are we playing to our full potential. So if we are talented, where is the effort? Where is the heart? Why don't we have more wins to show for it? Why does losing always have to equal "no heart" for you? You're a one-note ninny. Plus, who says there are no chemistry issues on UMCB? Any team with Greivis is bound to have issues. |
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Feb 12, 2009 13:03:00 GMT -5
Not a hatchet job. He's in a rare position being in an area of the country with a glut of young talent. Maybe not enough is included. He got none of the following: Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, DaJuan Summers, Gus Gilchrist, Tyree Evans, Rudy Gay, Carmelo Anthony, Michael Beasley, Rudy Gay, etc., etc. He's not getting good local talent. Period. You could also add to that list Jason Clark, Austin Freeman, Henry Sims and Chris Wright. And he's losing those players to second rate institutions that couldn't possibly offer what Maryland does right? Oh wait, Texas, Georgetown, Memphis, UConn, Syracuse also sport top tier division I basketball teams, and you're talking about the whims of 18 year old basketball superstars. In recruiting you're always going to have misses at that level. You could probably make a similar (if not longer) list for JT back in the day, but I'm glad the school let him go out on his own terms. UMCP is thin this year, but then again it's quite possible we will be equally thin next year if Monroe and Summers head for greener pastures. I can only imagine how the board would respond if this same article was written next year about JT3 and went off generally about transfers and commits that changed their mind. As much as many here hate Maryland, we should be happy that Gary is there, and not happy when the Post decides to go on the attack. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 12, 2009 13:18:25 GMT -5
You'll have to excuse PDR, he married a Terp.
That said, he's right on several points. Things I agree with/would add:
1. Gary is a very good basketball coach
2. While he's not the greatest recruiter, or possibly even very good, it's not like he's losing recruits to poor institutions. Sometimes the DC talent is too good for local teams. Somewhere I missed our time with Durant, Beasley, Lawson, Gay, etc.
3. After his best year ever with an unheralded class that , Gary pulled in a consensus highly ranked recruiting haul for a couple of year. Those classes were overrated a bit and never came together as a team. A high profile departure or team also hurt them. It's not impossible to see a future where that doesn't happen here.
4. As much as the academic standards junk is inconsistent and used too often as an excuse, players like Shane Clark, Bobby Maze and Terrance Jennings have not been able to attend Maryland when they wanted to do so.
5. I want Gary to be there forever.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 12, 2009 13:27:17 GMT -5
Let's be honest there are a lot of terp fans on the post's staff. This is them just letting their frustration get the best of them and putting what they've been saying on their message board for years out in real print. Plain and simple.
Oh and I hope Gary never retires.
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Post by the_way on Feb 12, 2009 13:27:29 GMT -5
4. As much as the academic standards junk is inconsistent and used too often as an excuse, players like Shane Clark, Bobby Maze and Terrance Jennings have not been able to attend Maryland when they wanted to do so. Also, i think Donyell Marshall and Lawrence Moten were in the same situation back in the day. Wanted to go to Maryland, but couldn't get in. |
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Feb 12, 2009 17:02:58 GMT -5
I heard UMCP was looking hard at Esh to replace Gary at the end of the season.
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