Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Feb 4, 2009 10:18:35 GMT -5
Madame Speaker Pelosi said that 500 Million Americans will lose their job every month that the Stimulus package is not enacted. At that rate, we'll all be unemployed by...oops there went my job
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 4, 2009 10:34:14 GMT -5
Why do you hate women so much Elvado? She's doing the best that she can and people like you and your hate are going to make her cry.
A link for those who are too lazy to google:
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 4, 2009 11:24:46 GMT -5
Every time Nancy Pelosi is on television, 500 million Americans lose their lunch.
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Feb 4, 2009 11:42:28 GMT -5
Dementia is a very serious issue, folks, and we should all be supporting Grandma Speaker Pelosi in this difficult time for her and her family.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 4, 2009 11:43:42 GMT -5
Well, somone needed to fill the massive "verbal gaffes" void left on January 20.......  |
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Post by Boz on Feb 4, 2009 11:44:25 GMT -5
Well, somone needed to fill the massive "verbal gaffes" void left on January 20....... Don't we have Joe Biden for that? ;D |
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Feb 4, 2009 12:00:05 GMT -5
It's nothing more than a little fuzzy math.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Feb 4, 2009 12:14:06 GMT -5
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought you were talking about this gem of an from FORMER (thank goodness) Vice-President Cheney: www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18390.html Has Fox News called him unpatriotic yet for criticizing the President and saying that the terrorists are going to win? |
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 4, 2009 12:28:13 GMT -5
Well, somone needed to fill the massive "verbal gaffes" void left on January 20....... Don't we have Joe Biden for that? ;D Even Joe can only fill part of that gap  |
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Post by kchoya on Feb 4, 2009 12:39:02 GMT -5
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought you were talking about this gem of an from FORMER (thank goodness) Vice-President Cheney: www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18390.html Has Fox News called him unpatriotic yet for criticizing the President and saying that the terrorists are going to win? I don't see anything wrong with what he said? Maybe you can enlighten us. |
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Feb 4, 2009 12:53:16 GMT -5
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought you were talking about this gem of an from FORMER (thank goodness) Vice-President Cheney: www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18390.html Has Fox News called him unpatriotic yet for criticizing the President and saying that the terrorists are going to win? I don't see anything wrong with what he said? Maybe you can enlighten us. Here's the problems: 1) He said that torture (oh i'm sorry... "enhanced interrogation") is ok and necessary. The U.S. Army has determined that this is WRONG and does not make us safer. 2) He says that Gitmo should remain open. This is WRONG - we can find other countries to send those imprisoned without evidence and those that we have evidence for, we can TRY in a proper military court, not a SHAM commission. 3) He says a combination of these decisions makes it more likely that we will be attacked. This is a slap in the face of the intelligence community, the United States Military, and the State Department. These agencies are confident that they can do their jobs without torturing and without maintaining some ridiculous legal loophole in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba that makes us look hypocritical to the rest of the world. |
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 4, 2009 12:56:57 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with what he said? Maybe you can enlighten us. Here's the problems: 1) He said that torture (oh i'm sorry... "enhanced interrogation") is ok and necessary. The U.S. Army has determined that this is WRONG and does not make us safer. 2) He says that Gitmo should remain open. This is WRONG - we can find other countries to send those imprisoned without evidence and those that we have evidence for, we can TRY in a proper military court, no a SHAM commission. 3) He says a combination of these decisions makes it more likely that we will be attacked. This is a slap in the face of the intelligence community, the United States Military, and the State Department. These agencies are confident that they can do their jobs without torturing and without maintaining some ridiculous legal loophole in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba that makes us look hypocritical to the rest of the world. So you disagree that Pelosi has made a fool of herself trying to defend her "stimulus"? Or are you just trying to distract yourself from the pain of losing your job 1.33 times this month (and the upcoming pain about the 1.33 jobs you'll lose per month until the stimulus is passed) by changing the subject? |
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 4, 2009 13:11:06 GMT -5
If our special forces have been made to undergo waterboarding as part of their training how is waterboarding torture? Also, some people who have undergone waterboarding say it is very effective in obtaining information, despite what you say the Army has said. Show me a link where the Army (not some soldier) has said it is wrong and does not make us safer.
If GITMO remaining open is wrong, how is it alright to send the prisoners to another country?
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bubbrubbhoya
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Feb 4, 2009 13:27:34 GMT -5
Hey...if you want to make this about anything other than some good natured ripping on Grandma, start a new thread.
Ed and NYR, you're ruining the fun. Can it.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 4, 2009 13:29:12 GMT -5
If our special forces have been made to undergo waterboarding as part of their training how is waterboarding torture? Also, some people who have undergone waterboarding say it is very effective in obtaining information, despite what you say the Army has said. Show me a link where the Army (not some soldier) has said it is wrong and does not make us safer. If GITMO remaining open is wrong, how is it alright to send the prisoners to another country? On the first part, what the Army and other branches have included in their SERE Schools are techniques that certain members of the armed forces may need to expect and prepare for if captured - and how to escape them. These techniques were explicitly reverse-engineered from torture that was inflicted on U.S. personnel in Korea and Vietnam (and was called torture at the time). It doesn't take a genius to understand that what some people undergo willingly may be considered torture if it is done unwillingly. Consent is kind of an important thing, no? As for the Army "saying" something, the techniques codified in the Army Field Manual (which applies to all the branches) were selected based on what works and is considered acceptable and permissible. The fact that waterboarding is explicitly excluded from the new AFM means that it is considered by the DoD to be ineffective, impermissible on moral/legal grounds, or both. |
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 4, 2009 13:49:26 GMT -5
If our special forces have been made to undergo waterboarding as part of their training how is waterboarding torture? Also, some people who have undergone waterboarding say it is very effective in obtaining information, despite what you say the Army has said. Show me a link where the Army (not some soldier) has said it is wrong and does not make us safer. If GITMO remaining open is wrong, how is it alright to send the prisoners to another country? My brother-in-law is a Navy SEAL officer and he would strongly disagree with your argument Ed if he were here right now, unfortunately he's defending our nation while deployed to an undisclosed location in Middle East. |
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Post by kghoya on Feb 4, 2009 16:32:41 GMT -5
can we get back to what pelosi said?
i found it quite entertaining
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 4, 2009 16:37:56 GMT -5
If our special forces have been made to undergo waterboarding as part of their training how is waterboarding torture? Also, some people who have undergone waterboarding say it is very effective in obtaining information, despite what you say the Army has said. Show me a link where the Army (not some soldier) has said it is wrong and does not make us safer. If GITMO remaining open is wrong, how is it alright to send the prisoners to another country? Pelosi's comment is idiotic. Ed's commend here is idiotic. Is it battery or assault with a deadly weapon when we require cops to experience a tazer? No, it's training for what they might experience in the field. They agree to have it done. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 4, 2009 16:53:27 GMT -5
Why do you hate women so much Elvado? She's doing the best that she can and people like you and your hate are going to make her cry. A link for those who are too lazy to google: I find this funny since the above was more or less Sarah Palin's campaign strategy. And yes, Pelosi's comment was idiotic. |
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Post by nychoya3 on Feb 4, 2009 16:54:13 GMT -5
1) Jeez people, have you actually never heard someone misspeak orders of magnitude? It's really not that hard to do/funny when it happens.
2) She's a Hoya fan!
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