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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 31, 2009 17:20:36 GMT -5
If we can't play better D, we will absolutely be NIT bound. We were poor in every aspect today - interior D and rebounding, transition defense (invisible today), guarding on the perimeter, switching effectively, closing down on the 3. Good teams make the effort to play in-your-face defense. With a few exceptions, we don't. Working hard on D won't guarantee a win, especially against a good team - but not working hard will pretty much guarantee a loss.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 31, 2009 17:32:15 GMT -5
Just looked at the stats - when we shoot 57% and still lose by double figures, it just underscores this point - and stifles those who claimed we just had to shoot better to turn everything around.
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Post by rickr on Jan 31, 2009 17:38:45 GMT -5
absolutely right...can't win with this "D". I don't think it's an effort issue. I think we're bad at it and have been most of the season.We are not playing anywhere near the defense that we are seeing against us. Too many open looks. All of these teams are too good to not make the shots they are getting against us.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 31, 2009 17:39:35 GMT -5
If we can't play better D, we will absolutely be NIT bound. Any post-season may be out of reach without two wins next week. Drop to 12-10, and then a .500 or better season (with games at Syracuse, at Villanova, Marquette, and Louisville still on the plate) becomes no sure thing. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 31, 2009 17:47:04 GMT -5
If we lose 2 games next week, we don't deserve the post-season - and this board will set a record for deleted posts, rules violations and admin. warnings!
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Post by RDF on Jan 31, 2009 18:17:17 GMT -5
You have to have a winning record to get into the NIT--this team still has a ways to go imo.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 31, 2009 20:13:36 GMT -5
that was the most points that a hoyas team coached by jt3 has scored and still lost
the previous high was 73 against cuse in an overtime loss (jt3's only ot loss in charge of the hoyas)
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Post by tpk3 on Jan 31, 2009 21:48:41 GMT -5
getting big stops late in second half has been a consistent problem all year. youth and lack of strength are a part of that. but we also have to have all 5 guys attack the glass and get that bound when it counts. marquette shot well but we gave them open looks all game. our zone is not close to last season--- again experience is a huge factor.
also patrick and roy were great anchors in the back line. both knew how to play and were great help defenders. our bigs this year are not good at that. we have to remember greg is not a true center. another reason why i want henry to get more burn with him. i feel greg plays much better defensively when he has that complimentary big.
we let too may guards get into lane and make plays. we have to do a much better job collapsing on these penetrators while also extending our arms in the passing lanes.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 31, 2009 22:31:33 GMT -5
Graeagle is right on, Hibbert was the reason we played so well last year on D. His ability to help the guards when they were beat off the dribble or distort shots is simply absent from this year's team. It took Roy 4 years to develop his feel for defense so I am not expecting Monroe to play at that level as freshman and no one else should either.
I think everyone just needs to recognize the limitations this year, when we play teams that have good gaurd play (and MU has the best in the NCAA, period) we will be punished. Not only do we do a poor job preventing penetration, but we have no secondary line of defense.
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Post by VelvetElvis on Feb 1, 2009 10:27:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily say any one player made us better on defense last season. I think that the overall commitment to playing defense was higher up top.
I was watching one series where #4 was guarding the ball and he was bent over at the waist and not at the knees. ANY youth league coach would tell you that is lazy defense. When the ball was passed as past of the offense, #5 drew the task of defending the ball. SAME DEFENSIVE STANCE! What happened next? Dribble towards baseline and by #5, which drew help and a dish and a 3!
#55 wouldn't have helped in that situation. Same thing would have happened. The problem is that our guards/wings are NOT committed to playing sound defense!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2009 11:22:31 GMT -5
Roy did make the difference on defense. We played a lot tighter on the perimeter, limiting open threes, because he could erase mistakes. And players simply drove less against us for the same reason.
He was also a better defensive rebounder than anyone on the team currently.
Certainly the other players could play better defense. But pretending Roy wasn't the key defender of the last few years isn't right.
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Post by hoyatamale on Feb 2, 2009 11:27:46 GMT -5
It is now apparent that Roy was a much bigger defensive presence than previously believed. I thought that Greg could be a good rebounder and shot-blocker, but that question has gone unanswered to this point in the season. If the posts (Greg, Henry, Julian, and Dajaun) all play better interior defense it will get easier for the gaurds, who at the moment are pressed most possessions up the floor and have to run back in transition often. If we can force teams to play from the outside like last year, then our perimeter defense will improve. Teams won't be willing to drive on us if we have a legitimate presence inside.
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Post by the_way on Feb 2, 2009 11:38:34 GMT -5
starts and ends with guys who are recruited and can play defense.
who on this team can do that? seriously?
which speaks to a larger issue.
how does III recruit? is it more about his offensive scheme than defensive scheme? both?
because it seems, the offensive scheme takes precedent in his recruiting methods, and the defense is hurting now because of it, imo.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 2, 2009 11:53:30 GMT -5
Agree with the_way: Is so much effort placed on the offensive sets that the players have disregarded their responsibilities to defense. Paradoxically, we have better athletes and some would argue "better" players this year than last year. Have they lost individuality/instincts on offense and placed all their efforts into the offense scheme that they lose focus on playing defense? There is no answer here. The team has different players than the last few years and it will take a larger sampling of seasons and personnel to find this out.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 2, 2009 12:53:07 GMT -5
Excuse me posters, but this team was #1 or #2 in FG defense the last 2-3 years. And was top 10 in FG defense the first half of this season. This isn't a recruiting problem. Rebounding... that is partly a recruiting problem. Defense is not. Our guards are quicker and more athletic than the guards we had in previous years. No reason why they can't play D at least as well.
Yes, Roy was a BIG factor on D last year. That is nothing new. And how many minutes/game did Roy play? Point is, he was a big help on D when he was in, but the team played D for 40 minutes a game.
This team is in a Deep slump. One can almost understand an offensive slump, but the matador defense we play these days is, IMHO, inexcusable.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 2, 2009 12:57:24 GMT -5
Exactly my original point. Any player at the D-1 level can play defense if they work hard enough at it, and they have the desire. I don't agree with Way's suggestion that some of our current players aren't capable of it - but I do agree with his point that it does not seem the staff is emphasizing defense enough in practice, possibly because we are young and the offense takes a lot of work to learn. You WORK your way out of a slump like this - you can't just shoot your way out.
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Post by the_way on Feb 2, 2009 14:20:34 GMT -5
Exactly my original point. Any player at the D-1 level can play defense if they work hard enough at it, and they have the desire. I don't agree with Way's suggestion that some of our current players aren't capable of it - but I do agree with his point that it does not seem the staff is emphasizing defense enough in practice, possibly because we are young and the offense takes a lot of work to learn. You WORK your way out of a slump like this - you can't just shoot your way out. defense is attitude, moreso than abilit. attitude is a reflection of one's character. you hear all the time, how folks recruit high-character when it comes to football and basketball. i.e., kids do the little things that most won't to do to be good. we have guys on our squad that are offense-oriented. thats their attitude. they aren't defensive-minded. thats a flaw in recruiting. Austin Freeman is not going to all of a sudden become a lock-down defender. He is not going to become a rebounder like Perry McDonald. thats not his game. he is a scorer. Thats not a slight on Freeman. I you have a guy like him on the floor you need complimentary pieces to ensure that your offensive scheme is working, but as well as your defensive scheme. Chris Wright is not going to become Gene Smith, or become Iverson on the defensive end. right, now we have a starting 5 that came to G-town or have displayed a knack for offense, but not defense. again, its a personnel issue. |
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Post by harlemhoya on Feb 2, 2009 14:27:20 GMT -5
I would pay money to sit and talk Hoya basketball with
RDF
the_way
mrsixer
bronxhoya
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Post by Boz on Feb 2, 2009 14:32:02 GMT -5
You may need to have an octagon and/or steel cage ready for such a conversation.
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Post by kghoya on Feb 2, 2009 14:34:34 GMT -5
I would pay money to sit and talk Hoya basketball with RDF the_way mrsixer bronxhoya you can only talk hoya basketball with the way when things are going poorly hes not too talkative when times are going well |
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