Disappointed by many of the posts here

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First let me say that most of you know more about basktball than I do. I have posted a couple of times about this, but I wanted to start my own thread.

I am so disappointed with what I am reading by many of the posters including some who should know better.

I am seeing our coach and our players excoriated here. Several of you think you know more than the coaches or question the intensity or desire of the players. Remember that they are kids and they read this message board

I watched the entire game a second time. I focussed on our 3 point shots. With the exception of a couple of them which were attempts to beat the 35 second clock, they were all open shots. Even shots close in weren't falling. Remember Monroe's spin move to the basket which hit the bottom side of the rim, or Austin's open shot and attempted tap in from up close.

It is NOT the coaching, it is NOT the desire, it is NOT the system.
they are just in a shooting slump. why can't everyone see that??

It might be instructive to read the Louisville Rivals board when they were losing all of their games early on. Their fans were doing the same thing. I would have thought that we were above that. Louisville has overcome their shooting woes and are now the team we all thought they would be.

Well I feel better now that I have gotten this off my chest. I am looking forward to the Hoyas coming out of their funk and making noise in the league later on and in the NCAA tournament.

[kchoya]

You've been a member since 2004, you should know this is what ALWAYS happens. That' why I haven't read the board since last Thursday night except to post a question about TV coverage.

HoyaTalk, thy middle name is "Chicken Little."

[KHoyaNYC]

Jan 26, 2009 12:32:19 GMT -5 guru said:

Jan 26, 2009 12:24:12 GMT -5 @jerrylh said:

First let me say that most of you know more about basktball than I do. I have posted a couple of times about this, but I wanted to start my own thread.

I am so disappointed with what I am reading by many of the posters including some who should know better.

I am seeing our coach and our players excoriated here. Several of you think you know more than the coaches or question the intensity or desire of the players. Remember that they are kids and they read this message board

I watched the entire game a second time. I focussed on our 3 point shots. With the exception of a couple of them which were attempts to beat the 35 second clock, they were all open shots. Even shots close in weren't falling. Remember Monroe's spin move to the basket which hit the bottom side of the rim, or Austin's open shot and attempted tap in from up close.

It is NOT the coaching, it is NOT the desire, it is NOT the system.
they are just in a shooting slump. why can't everyone see that??

It might be instructive to read the Louisville Rivals board when they were losing all of their games early on. Their fans were doing the same thing. I would have thought that we were above that. Louisville has overcome their shooting woes and are now the team we all thought they would be.

Well I feel better now that I have gotten this off my chest. I am looking forward to the Hoyas coming out of their funk and making noise in the league later on and in the NCAA tournament.

It's simply the nature of a message board like this - and FWIW, I have actually been surprised by some of the restraint offered by posters here. In talking with other Hoyas fans, I have heard far more details about what may have happened internally with this team to knock it off its game than I have read here. There's smoke, is all I'm saying - and unless I've missed it no one on the board has actually reported the fire.

What does that exactly mean?

[guru]

Jan 26, 2009 12:38:25 GMT -5 KHoyaNYC said:

Jan 26, 2009 12:32:19 GMT -5 guru said:

It's simply the nature of a message board like this - and FWIW, I have actually been surprised by some of the restraint offered by posters here. In talking with other Hoyas fans, I have heard far more details about what may have happened internally with this team to knock it off its game than I have read here. There's smoke, is all I'm saying - and unless I've missed it no one on the board has actually reported the fire.

What does that exactly mean?

You know what? I shouldn't have posted that. I am not an insider by any means, but have heard rumors from some who are. I've deleted my post, and apologize.

[RockawayHoya]

A shooting slump doesn't excuse the guys from not running back on D to prevent fast breaks. Or for not fighting around picks. No, our shooting woes are not about effort. But there are several other facets of the game that do hinge on desire and effort that we are failing at right now.

[Cambridge]

It's so predictable. Every time we hit a rough patch, the Editedtards come out to play. Just ignore them.

Remember, they are our versions of this infamous crying Giants fan[/u][/url].

PS I was at the game and hats off to the students who travelled to the game for some solid cheering.

BTW - I want an investigation into Seton Hall ticketing policy. The game was supposedly sold out, however (1) they curtained off the top bowl, (2) I was able to buy tickets on game day and (3) the lower bowls were at best half full. PATHETIC MISINFORMATION.

[Boz]

Jan 26, 2009 13:12:07 GMT -5 Cambridge said:

Remember, they are our versions of this infamous crying Giants fan

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Jizzy Crizzy, I never want to see that again.

[FrazierFanatic]

3-22 from 3-point range is not "just a shooting slump" - it is almost a refusal to run the offense, to work for and wait for good shots. We had 2 consecutive absolutely Esherickian possessions where we did nothing but make lazy passes around the perimeter, then failed to even beat the shot clock. Throw in the sloppy turnovers and the fact that we were outhustled by a clearly inferior team, and it is starkly evident that there are many things that need to be fixed. No offense, but pulling out the "shooting slump" alibi is equivalent to the "just a blip" comment after the W Va debacle. That being said, there is still confidence that III can get these guys on the right page - but it needs to happen ASAP.

[Deleted]

Hi Frazier

As I said, I rewatched the game and only about 2 or 3 of those shots were at the last second of the shot clock. They were good shots and we just missed. some of the most wide open shots didn't even hit the rim. running the offense means getting good looks and we got them, we just didn't hit them. This is the same offense we ran against Connecticut and Syracuse. We just happened to shoot over 40% from the 3 point lline

[chep3]

I dunno. As someone mentioned on one of the other threads, quite astutely, our offense is predicated on giving up good looks to get great looks. Right now, as soon as we get a look, we're firing away. That's not our offense, and that's not what has made us so efficient.

[blueandgray]

I don't have a problem with 99% of the posts that I read. I frankly only have a problem when people suddenly jump on a moral high horse and start invoking "rule 12". All I see happening is that there are some serious concerns, and like JT3 and the team itself...we are all trying to figure it out and find a solution.

And this is certainly not just a slump...losing 5 out of 7 puntuated by a listless loss to 0 and 6 SH represents the low watermark of the JT3 era!!

[FrazierFanatic]

Jan 26, 2009 15:07:21 GMT -5 @jerrylh said:

Hi Frazier

As I said, I rewatched the game and only about 2 or 3 of those shots were at the last second of the shot clock. They were good shots and we just missed. some of the most wide open shots didn't even hit the rim. running the offense means getting good looks and we got them, we just didn't hit them. This is the same offense we ran against Connecticut and Syracuse. We just happened to shoot over 40% from the 3 point lline

Jerry - this was the point I made in another thread - this offense is not built solely around the 3-point shot; if we have to shoot 50% or more from 3 range to win big games, we are in major trouble. There is a difference between an "open" shot and a shot within the offense, and I don't think we recognize that nearly enough. Thus it is not just a shooting slump, it is a failure to stick to the offense - not to mention the problems with defense, turnovers, rebounding, etc.

[midsouthhoya]

Since I don’t post often (perhaps because I can’t settle on the most relevant thread) I’ll try to keep my comment brief, but I’m cogitating the parallels between what’s happening to the Hoyas and what happened to the Redskins this season. As a fan of both, my frustrations with them are similar, and I think part of the reason they are is that both teams early in their seasons revealed a dynamism that hadn’t been there previously and which generated positive excitement. I recall right after the ‘skins beat the Cowboys early on, how excited ‘skins fans were over their aggressiveness and creative play calling. With the Hoyas, that game was with Tennessee. It was a losing affair, but it was the first real indication that we might be quicker and more dynamic than last year. It also looked up until the end that we had the potential to hurt opponents from every position. I think the argument could be made that much of what hurt the Redskins this season—not maintaining mental focus in playing in a dynamic offense (particularly from the QB position)—also hurts the Hoyas. Even in losing to Tennessee, it was clear that loss of focus was a big part of how the game got away.

I am not by any stretch claiming that the players cannot handle the sophistication of the offense. Clearly they have shown they can. Also, I agree with those who have noted that heart and passion are critical for success. But so much of what makes this Thompson’s Georgetown teams a joy to follow is that when the players can combine passion with knowledge of where to be in the offense (i.e., execution), it’s hard to imagine a more beautiful way to play the college game. The last two games are frustrating because the personnel are there (which was arguably true in the Redskins’ case, too). And we have seen them, at least on two occasions, maintain focus to the point of perfection.

When that focus is lacking, though, a simple to execute backup plan is necessary, and I see what everyone else sees—get it to Greg.

[Deleted]

Hi

I think we will have to agree to disagree. If we had shot 30% yesterday, we would have won easily.

[chep3]

Maybe so, but that's because SHU is no good, and we still wouldn't have looked good doing it. If we had played Louisville and played the same way, we would have scored 35 points. If it is really all about us and how we execute, then it doesn't matter that if 1 extra shot had dropped we would have come away with the victory. The issue isn't the loss so much as how bad we've looked in the last 2 games.

[hoyachick]

Are we the better team? Yes, but we simply didn't play like it. Teams, especially young teams, have slumps.

In JTIII's first season, everyone remembers that we beat a ranked Pitt right out of the gate and thus we had the makings of the greatest team that ever was. No one talks about the 5 game losing streak we had in season. We slumped.

The next year we went to the Sweet 16 we had a three game slide, won a few games in the middle and then capped off the regular season with a loss against a TERRIBLE USF team. We managed to bounce back.

It may not be a "blip" but it's hardly the end of the season.

[daytonahoya31]

at least that USF team had a pro on it, as well as Kentrell Grandsberry, (solomon Jones plays for the Hawks).

There are no pros on Seton Hall's team

[jkhoya12]

Jan 26, 2009 16:37:13 GMT -5 daytonahoya31 said:

at least that USF team had a pro on it, as well as Kentrell Grandsberry, (solomon Jones plays for the Hawks).

There are no pros on Seton Hall's team

Beg to differ. Jeremy Hazell will be a pro I predict. He's not pro material right now but he's only a soph.

[daytonahoya31]

True enough. Hazell's pretty good

[williambraskyiii]

Hazell was absolutely putrid in the game against the Hoyas. He may be a pro, but not in The League.