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Post by 1984alloveragain on Jan 22, 2009 14:03:07 GMT -5
Did she used to work for the New York Slimes or for Dan Rather? jk!!
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 22, 2009 14:26:43 GMT -5
Maybe there is some guy out there named McDonald, who makes a list of his personal selections for the All American team. Hence, McDonald's All American.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Jan 22, 2009 14:44:24 GMT -5
1. You would hope that the local paper's beat reporter knows a few facts off the top of his/her head: how many McD AA's are on the team, where each player is from, etc. without needing to check his/her notes or the official team site. 2. What's egregious in this particular case is that one of the major premises of today's article is that Jason Clark is getting less hype than you'd expect for a McD AA player. Hmm, what might explain that? 3. The most likely possibility is that the original text for the bio said that JC was *nominated* to the squad and some knownothing in the SID decided that that was just some fancy-pants east coast elitist word for "named" and made the substitution. At least two sources. Always. 4. While I seldom miss a chance to bash a journalist, you have to acknowledge the longstanding rule of thumb that a Hoya's word is worth at least a dozen sources, c.f. Clinton in 1998 or Tenet ca. 2003.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 22, 2009 14:50:00 GMT -5
The bigger miss here is no one at the Post telling Liz Clarke that our SID's information is historically not the most reliable/clear/forthcoming.
It's ten thousand times better than before under Muir/III. But there's always errors in the media guide.
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 22, 2009 16:28:55 GMT -5
I have to agree about the post. it is a great sports section in general. Wilbon / Kornheiser (sp?) are nationally recognized with NBA (ESPN) and MNF; not to mention PTI. I;m not a big baseball guy but Boswell is supposed to be superb. Sally Jenkins can be very very annoying but is generally considered a great journalist. Norman Chad (poker guy) / Shapiro also are well respected. a number of other beat writers / lesser known columnists (Wise, Ivan, Mike (the nba / wiz guy)) are decent and only getting better.
so they def have a strong section. I grew up reading the post because of that section.
But they don't cover the hoyas as well as the times. I actually think this has more to do with Barker than it does with the papers. I think Barker is just excited about covering the hoyas. For the papers it all comes down to $$. There is a high degree of interest (# of readers) in Skins, wiz, caps, nats, orioles. A fairly high degree of interest in Ravens, UMD sports, Soccer and national stuff. And a lower degree of interest in G town hoops, High School stuff, random other stuff. Both papers seem to have stories based on those interests. It just happens that 1 Barker has been on the beat longer, and 2 he seems to care / want to do it.
We can argue about the first two groups if things should move around - but in general i think that is accurate. There are more fans of the first 2 groups in the area then there are of the 3rd. nothing wrong with that - we just happen to be in the minority on that one.
The bigger problem with the post section is that wilbon is only good for 1 maybe 2 articles a week. Tony doesn't even do articles anymore. He has the OCCASIONAL video on post.com but that is it. Boswell only writes about baseball, chad only does the silly stuff on the weekend, Jenkins is always spot on with facts - but one 1 or 2 articles she puts out with are agreeable. and the "new talent" isn't as good as the older folks.
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Post by jyd on Jan 22, 2009 16:28:59 GMT -5
how do we know that is where she got her information from? and that is irrelevant to me anyway. would barker have made that mistake? No, b/c he probably watched the game and/or just knew Greg was our only McD AA from last year. this isn't something that needs to be looked up. if you cover the hoyas you should just know this kind of information.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 22, 2009 16:38:14 GMT -5
Jeepers lots of people have their knickers in a twist about this.
She got bad info from the University, and since she wasn't covering college hoops last year, she has no reason to know who played in the burgergame. Unless you can show me some other outlet claiming he was McD's AA, I think it is pretty safe to assume OUR WEBSITE is the source of the bad info.
And no, the Post's lousy coverage of the Hoyas is not justified but saying there is little interest in the area. Chicken, I'd like you to meet Egg.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 22, 2009 16:48:51 GMT -5
But that's the thing.
She does have reason to know who played in the Burgergame. SHE COVERS THE FREAKING TEAM!!!!!!. You need to know the team you cover INSIDE AND OUT!. Period. There's no grey area there. And that mistake isn't the reason I don't like her coverage. Her overall coverage is the reason I don't like her coverage and her woeful lack of basketball knowledge.
She said before our UConn game that the Huskies have an NBA prospect at every position. This was the same Huskies team that started Craig Austrie at one of the guard spots.
Her ledes are boring as heck, her stories have little to no depth. She says in todays advance, the one with Clark, that we have no options when Greg's on the bench, and then in the very next paragraph says that we have plenty of guard options off the bench.
Now of course we aren't as good with Greg on the bench, but we have options.
Her coverage is lousy. I liked Camille. She was a far, far, better writer and she never made any of the silly mistakes that Liz is making, and at that level of journalism, it doesn't matter whether or not this is her first year on the beat. She should know who was a McDonald's all-american. It's the highest honor a high school basketball player can have.
So as a fan of the team, when it comes to the Washington Post, a National sports section, Clarke needs to step her game up because it's been trash to this point.
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Post by jyd on Jan 22, 2009 16:53:29 GMT -5
i'm not making this into a big deal. i just choose not to read the post's hoya coverage anymore. i gave it a chance, but i repeatedly got annoyed with the misinformation. i expect better from the local beat. i am sure there are a bunch of legit excuses for liz clarke. i just don't have time to read her coverage as she learns on the job.
And the other thing that annoys me about the coverage is that i rarely see them correct themselves or apologize for their mistakes. in tomorrow's edition will be see a correction? does anyone know if these writers read this board-- it seems Barker does.
maybe i am expecting too much from the beat writer-- i always thought the beat writer should be someone who knows the team inside out. i can rattle off every Hoya that has been a McD AA. and i am sure barker can too. i don't need to look that up on the gtown website.
camille was definitely better.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 22, 2009 17:01:33 GMT -5
She said before our UConn game that the Huskies have an NBA prospect at every position. This was the same Huskies team that started Craig Austrie at one of the guard spots. I don't know why you keep getting your panties in a bunch over this. First, this is not some sort of black or white fact. There's no list of "NBA prospects" against which we can check UCon's roster to determine if it's 100% factually correct. Two, after a quick glance of UCon's roster, I'd say the following are at least NBA prospects: Adrien Dyson Price Walker Thabeet Robinson It's not like she made the statement about Seton Hall's roster. Settle down.
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Post by pws on Jan 22, 2009 17:08:32 GMT -5
My only interest in this thread is to try to figure out which one of you posters is Liz.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 22, 2009 17:11:05 GMT -5
Actually, what she said was: "With an NBA prospect at every position, the second-ranked Huskies (11-0) are favored in the Big East opener for both schools"
Probably because she heard John Thompson III say: "It's easy just to talk about, write about [Thabeet] because he is so big," Thompson said. "But they are daunting at every position. They have a terrific team, if not the most talented team in the country. They have a presence at every position." She should really be more careful quoting sources FROM GEORGETOWN!
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Post by Boz on Jan 22, 2009 17:13:18 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Kornheiser does not work for the WP anymore.
I know he's still listed on their Web site, but it's basically archived columns.
The Washington Post employes John Feinstein -----> The Washington Post sucks.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 22, 2009 17:20:18 GMT -5
KC,
Neither Adrien, nor Robinson will ever sniff an NBA roster. Price may have achance, but I would bet against it. Walker yes, but in a few years. Dyson's a longshot.
Thabeet's the only surefire NBA lock on that team.
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Post by richfame on Jan 22, 2009 19:40:20 GMT -5
Dead On by daytona, but thabeet will be like manute bol, just a walking string bean. Well be in the NBA for like 2 years then greece bound !!!!!!!! lock it up!!!!!
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