1990 hoyas vs duke

[VelvetElvis]

Joey Brown was NOT a Senior in 1990. He was a Senior in the 93-94 season If we are comparing the 1990-91 team the current team, it would be Joey Brown as a Freshman vs. Chris Wright as Sophomore. We aren't comparing bodies of work here.

I always thought Brown was severely overrated so I am biased. I would take Wright as a Sophomore over Brown as a Senior.

[Madgesdiq]

Georgetown 08-09 beats Georgtown 90-91 easily.

The Georgetown 1990-1991 team was 8-8 in the Big East and had 13 losses, including losses to bad UTEP, DePaul and Villanova teams.

That team was awful offensively, had a back court that was below mid-major quality and was poorly coached.
It is one thing to reminisce about the good old days, but that team was very disappointing.

08-09 Hoyas 77
90-91 Hoyas 60

[Madgesdiq]

Jan 19, 2009 1:42:42 GMT -5 royski said:

Well, our team would have to go big to counter when Zo and Deke are both in, because Summers isn't covering either of them. That means a lot of Sims on the floor, and while he's talented and showing flashes, he's not Dikembe Mutumbo yet. From there, I think the pretty huge frontcourt advantage would kill us, especially Zo and Deke's overall rebounding. And I think a junior Zo punks a freshman Monroe at least a bit.

Also, that game featured a bench technical on Duke. No specific player is mentioned. Love irony.

We wouldn't have to go big to counter Deke. He was not a factor offensively. That was a TERRIBLE offensive team.

[daytonahoya31]

agree with madge. I was in eighth grade then. I remember how bad that team was offensively and how tough it was to score. And at no point in his career would I take Joey Brown over Chris Wright. That's just crazy.

Zo was the one and only thing the 90 team had going for it. This team has everything else, from talent on down

[Jack]

This brief blip on the screen notwithstanding, Duke surpassed Georgetown as the best program in the East (and arguably in the country) at the Meadowlands on Easter Sunday 1989. That was a great Georgetown team that lost its mojo when Charles Smith got sick and they nearly lost to Princeton at Providence in the First Round. If they had continued the momentum they had coming out of a dominating run through the Big East tournament I have no doubt they could have won a second championship that year.

After that, Smith graduated, followed by Bryant, Tillmon, and Jackson the next year, Pops stopped recruiting hard (e.g. Kenny Anderson, Corliss Williamson), and only Iverson falling into his lap saved a total descent into mediocrity that was only stemmed with the arrival of JTIII, Green, Hibbert, and Wallace in the same year. Meanwhile Coach K turned a very good program that could not quite win it all into the best program of the 90's and the media darling they remain. 2006 was a great win, but Georgetown still has something to prove if they want to take back their rightful place above the Blue Devils.

[MCIGuy]

Jan 19, 2009 12:10:12 GMT -5 Madgesdiq said:

Georgetown 08-09 beats Georgtown 90-91 easily.

The Georgetown 1990-1991 team was 8-8 in the Big East and had 13 losses, including losses to bad UTEP, DePaul and Villanova teams.

That team was awful offensively, had a back court that was below mid-major quality and was poorly coached.
It is one thing to reminisce about the good old days, but that team was very disappointing.

08-09 Hoyas 77
90-91 Hoyas 60

I'm not sure about the score but I agree about everything else. That '90-'91 team was not that impressive. Beating Duke was perhaps the greatest thing it accomplished that season. I like to joke that it was all downhill for Joey and Robert Churchwell after that game because never again would any team they would be on beat a team of similar stature or rank as that Duke squad. And again the game came during essentially a meaningless time of the season. Heck, Churchwell outplayed Grant Hill to the point I thought perhaps it wasn't a disaster after all that JT "missed out" on Hill. Boy, I couldn't be more wrong.

Folks must also remember that the national media did countless coverage on how AWFUL the Hoyas' perimeter play was as well as how terrible the offense looked. Paid journalists would actually suggest that perhaps the best way for the Hoyas' inexperienced guards to get the ball into Mourning and Mutombo was for them to shoot and having Zo and Deke rebound all the missed shots. Seriously. Because the guards were horrible at penetrating and they were so bad from the outside that teams just packed five guys in the paint to guard the M&M Boys. As a result the Hoyas' big men could not get enough touches. Now to be fair if Mourning hadn't gotten injured the Hoyas would not had been as bad. But most of the problems would have still remained which was proven when Zo came back from his injury, got close t 100% and yet the Hoyas still had the same offensive woes. Of course JT did not have a clue on how to fix the problem. However JT would never have had to worry too much about any of this if he had recruited Kenny Anderson and Grant Hill. But I digress.


Fortunately for the Hoyas they won enough BE tourney games to get into the NCAA tourney. It also didn't hurt that Gtown was just five to six years removed from its peak and therefore people obviously were going to lean towards putting Gtown in the 64 team field.

[richfame]

carpe that wa joey browns first season andthis isCW's first complete season that is comparing to an extent. That year morning got hurt and it kinda put a halt to the season. If we do not hit our threes a la CUSE game we donot beat the 1990team. The game would be like 64-58. Wed be severly out rebounded, and that team had so much more heart thanthis team ever will. Didnt that team play vegas in thesecond round and almot beat them wasnt it a 6-8 point game when vegas was beating everyone by 30?? Clearly biased selection commettee putting us agaisnt vegas inthe west coast. but thats besides the point

[Madgesdiq]

Richfame. Give us all a break with the BS about how much heart the putrid 1990-1 Georgetown team had. The team was basically unwatchable. If that consitutes heart, then I don't want this team to have it.

[MCIGuy]

Jan 19, 2009 20:17:22 GMT -5 richfame said:

carpe that wa joey browns first season andthis isCW's first complete season that is comparing to an extent. That year morning got hurt and it kinda put a halt to the season. If we do not hit our threes a la CUSE game we donot beat the 1990team. The game would be like 64-58. Wed be severly out rebounded, and that team had so much more heart thanthis team ever will. Didnt that team play vegas in thesecond round and almot beat them wasnt it a 6-8 point game when vegas was beating everyone by 30?? Clearly biased selection commettee putting us agaisnt vegas inthe west coast. but thats besides the point

The team wasn't close to beating UNLV (and I still have the game to prove it). The Hoyas "uglied" it up as best as possible, slowed it down and made a decent run or two to get the hostile crowd (Arizona fans) excited. Some in the media took it as admirable that the Hoyas lost somewhere betwen 9 to 15 points but I had to agree with the hateful John Feinstein (who was upset at the suggestion that the Hoyas played well against the Rebels) that the game was truly never in doubt and that the Hoyas' offense looked horrible.

[1984alloveragain]

Madgesdiq, he lost me when he said he'd take Joey B. over Chris W., and has been bad talking SAPP, but would take him over the '90 player... yeah

[richfame]

My bad from what i remember we played vegas pretty close, i guess within 10-12 for them it was close. Also im not saying J brown is better than chris wright. Just that JB was a steady guy, good player, and CW can sometimes be out of control and its possible in a game it could be a wash. Obvoulsy CW is a better shooter, better penetrator, just inconsistent thats all.

1984 you fall in teh same trap so many posters do on here thats its impossible to critize a georgtown player... OHHH better not do that. What season are you watching 1984. Sapp is not playing up to his potential and im not the only one that has said that. I also said i would not bench him so i thinkim not hating on him that bad. And yes i would take him over harrison. Sapp is a good player no matter how crappy hes playing. He once was onions and can still be onions. But you can cut me up for that opinion thats ok.

[richfame]

MCI its my opinion that ugling the game was a good strategy. Do you think we should have played run and gun with them?? I think we would have lost by 40 if we did that. That vegas team was the best team ive ever seen in college basketball. I dont knwo who is even close maybe that 97 kentucky team that had like 8 starters on it. Regardless hoyas played ir right but lost to a better team but no big deal.

Madge you can have heart and not be the national champions. Do you remember how we used to jump after loose balls, the yelling and screaming Zo use to intimate teams. Hoyas back then even pressed a bit( active and tenatous).. I guess maybe they had to be , yor right they wrent the most talented team and they were ugly but my freind they always gave max effort

[austintex]

Georgetown's best play in that 91 UNLV game was Brian Kelly setting a pick and just absolutely flattening a UNLV player (Greg Anthony, I think). Yeah, it was an ugly game.

[1984alloveragain]

Rich, I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but it is not my intent to cut you or anybody else up. It's just that I take exception to what you call "criticism". Pointing out the obvious lack of production or increase of turnovers is one thing (which, by the way, I agree with and am baffled at (with Jesse)). Yes, it's true, he has underperformed to his abilities to this point in the season. But sports and the character Jesse has exhibited since he was a young man have shown so many times in the past that the cream rises to the top, and that many of us BELIEVE that Jesse will turn it around and adjust to the new guys around him and be productive before the year is out. Your criticisms are nothing more than dismissive blanket statements that fail to recognize those things that make sports and people overcoming new challenges they are faced with. In another thread, you wrote: " If Sapp is going to have his head up his ass then best sit him down", and "Jason Clark is going to be 10 X better than Sapp ever was". Those are not critiques, but putrid statements that fail to appreciate how much Jesse has done, AND IS CAPABLE OF DOING IN THE FUTURE for the team. At best, those statements are distasteful, and disrespectful of a young man most of us respect greatly, much moreso than others who have not laced them up and busted his n__s, I mean GUTS for the Hoyas.

[HoyaFanNY]

MCI is correct, we did ugly up the game, but we had to against that team. robert churchwell missed a wide open layup late in the game. we had momentum at the time, but that miss seemed to take all the steam out of us. we lost by 8, but the game was close throughout.

that team was lost when zo got hurt. once he got back, it took a while to get back into the groove. we hit our stride in the BET, starting with the uconn game where calhoun got tossed and deke pulled down something like 29 rebounds, and then providence before losing to the hall in the final. nobody wanted to play us in the tournament, including vegas. pops had the great 'we didn't come here to praise cesar, we came to bury him' (or something to that effect) line before the vegas game. classic pops.

[richfame]

fair enough 1984 i totally see your point