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Post by coachmcguirk on Feb 1, 2005 17:45:14 GMT -5
Some of these guys aren't in immediate danger but it's fun to speculate:
Pete Gillen -- Oy, what a freakin' mess! If they wait much longer they'll be Clemson. Obvious rollover against UNC, wonder if the players know something, or care.
Billy Donovan -- seems to have lost some wattage lately -- always some kind of weirdness surrounding his program -- if not in the top echelon again within the next two-three years, bet he goes elsewhere
Quin Snyder -- haircut makes him look like an extra from "Raging Bull" -- probably will never fully recover from the Ricky Clemons thing, but where do they go? Program will be middle tier in Big 12 for a long time
Gunther Von Weiss -- doesn't exist, just made him up
Tommy Amaker -- not an easy situation but what a mail-in at Purdue -- what's the on-campus buzz?
Herb Sendek -- I really don't get this one -- if he's in the NIT with J. Hodge, bye-bye?
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Feb 1, 2005 18:11:32 GMT -5
Gillen - have to assume he's out of there at season's end... that work just isn't cutting it in the ACC, not with the success they've had in the past - total mail-job against UNC.
Donovan - what a sleazeball, think college basketball would be better without him there. in terms of recruiting, I'm sure he's very good, but as an X's and O's coach? not hardly. why do you think the team always brings in big recruits and cant finish higher than the middle of the pack in the SEC (admittedly a weaker basketball conference)? But, on the other hand, hard to see Florida cutting him loose - he has put them back on the map, even with some bad tournament losses.
Quin Snyder - I actually believe Snyder is a very good basketball coach, and just needs a change of scenery to succeed somewhere else. I think he would be FANTASTIC at a mid-major school, or a school in C-USA or something. He just needs to put the Clemons debacle behind him and move on.
Sendek - come on people, let's be realistic. If Sendek has Tony Bethel in the starting lineup, this is a Final-Four bound team, right? I think the AD gives him a break for Tony's sake...
Amaker - his decision to leave Seton Hall for Michigan still baffles me to this very day. He really had some solid players there and should have stayed to rebuild the program into something special, which I believe he could have done. Amaker is a VERY good coach, why the hell would he choose to go to Michigan? A team he knows is mired in scandals and hasn't been relevant since the Fab 5 - going to a conference that is not up to par with the BE - and having to fight a much more powerful and well-known rival in MSU for in-state recruits... well, Im kind of glad he left now - now we get to do battle with the "fabulous" Louis Orr... who rivals Mike Brey for worst coach in the BE.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 1, 2005 18:19:57 GMT -5
You forgot Tim Welsh at Providence, who is fast being fitted for his casket (or as GPHoya would say, looking for a good 'outplacement guy') with this year's stunning collapse...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 1, 2005 18:24:05 GMT -5
Gillen ---> Hobbs Donovan ---> No Time Soon Snyder ---> Wait a year Amaker ---> Free pass due to not his scandal Sendek ---> Bobby Lutz
UVA fans think they can get Tubby Smith. Hmmm.
There's no reason to think Snyder can coach. He's had the talent but not the results. Plus, the rumors around him are disturbing enough to never hire him.
Donovan is safe, though he shouldn't be.
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Post by jackdog74 on Feb 1, 2005 20:05:41 GMT -5
Buzz is (finally) starting to buzz against Amaker. Local story in the paper is trying to give him a pass due to the injuries (top two players) and the Horton suspension. Amaker will survive this year, but if he does not make the NCAA next year, he'll be toast.
Personally, I'm not an Amaker fan -- he seems to not be able to coach when he has any type of expectations (see the 2000/2001 team SHU team). When there are no expectations (the U-M '01/'02 ) he does well. However, the effort against Purdue was reminiscent of SJU/GU last year at MSG.
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Post by rccoleon on Feb 1, 2005 22:55:02 GMT -5
Quinn is done. in fact the word in media room last night after the Kansas game was that he may be done by the morning (obviously did not happen). Jason Whittlock a columnist for the Kansas City Star wrote an open letter before the Kansas game telling him not to worry about anything for the rest of the season because no matter what he does he will be done. I think Quinn and the AD both need to go. the program is a joke. ill throw in the link www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/10775293.htmhe is just such a sleazy coach, scandles scare any major team and he wont get another gig until he proves himself at mid-major.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 2, 2005 10:39:57 GMT -5
Quinn is done. in fact the word in media room last night after the Kansas game was that he may be done by the morning (obviously did not happen). Jason Whittlock a columnist for the Kansas City Star wrote an open letter before the Kansas game telling him not to worry about anything for the rest of the season because no matter what he does he will be done. I think Quinn and the AD both need to go. the program is a joke. ill throw in the link www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/10775293.htmhe is just such a sleazy coach, scandles scare any major team and he wont get another gig until he proves himself at mid-major. You should know better than to rely on anything Whitlock. But I'll give him this, at least he writes about sports and not that sappy crap JoPo puts out there. I still think Ivan Carter was the best thing going at the paper -- at least he moved to the Washington Post.
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Post by coachmcguirk on Feb 2, 2005 13:04:49 GMT -5
Regarding Orr, maybe SU is content with a solid citizen rather than climbers like Amaker (otherwise, why not Bobby Gonzalez?) -- can only wonder what would have happened if Eddie Griffin hadn't been such a disaster.
Mike Brey the worst coach in the Big East? I don't think so -- the talent isn't tremendous there.
On Snyder - wonder if he's stacked the deck against Wojo/Collins for future head coaching jobs. Can't say I'm unhappy about that.
Forgot about Welch -- it will be tough to recruit off the top shelf if you can't get over with Ryan Gomes.
Anyone taking odds on when the UCLA job will be open again?
As a general observation, it will be interesting to see whether the traditional Big East schools develop a shorter fuse once the conference expands next year.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 2, 2005 13:07:49 GMT -5
Regarding Orr, maybe SU is content with a solid citizen rather than climbers like Amaker (otherwise, why not Bobby Gonzalez?) -- can only wonder what would have happened if Eddie Griffin hadn't been such a disaster. Mike Brey the worst coach in the Big East? I don't think so -- the talent isn't tremendous there. On Snyder - wonder if he's stacked the deck against Wojo/Collins for future head coaching jobs. Can't say I'm unhappy about that. Forgot about Welch -- it will be tough to recruit off the top shelf if you can't get over with Ryan Gomes. Anyone taking odds on when the UCLA job will be open again? As a general observation, it will be interesting to see whether the traditional Big East schools develop a shorter fuse once the conference expands next year. Mike Brey may not be the worst in the BE, but he is darn close. His game management skills are minimal, and he has mastered the art of calling a timeout right before the scheduled tv timeout. I do think the BE schools are developing a shorter fuse, and I think it may have even factored into the Esherick situation. There is a certain amount of energy around here for an "about face."
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Post by chinatownfanclub on Feb 2, 2005 15:27:45 GMT -5
Anyone taking odds on when the UCLA job will be open again? I don't think the odds are good. Howland is an unbelievable coach (see Pitt rising from nothing to perennial BE contender). I'm not sure UCLA was the best job for him b/c he seems to be much more successful w/ lesser talented players who buy into his system of defense, rebounding, few mistakes, not much style. LA wants style and superstars and scoring. He may succeed there, he may not. It was his dream job so he went for it. I wouldn't bet against him if they give him 4 yrs to make it his program especially since the PAC-10 seems in a downward trend.
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Post by Boz on Feb 2, 2005 16:40:23 GMT -5
Regarding Orr, maybe SU is content with a solid citizen rather than climbers like Amaker (otherwise, why not Bobby Gonzalez?) -- can only wonder what would have happened if Eddie Griffin hadn't been such a disaster. Mike Brey the worst coach in the Big East? I don't think so -- the talent isn't tremendous there. On Snyder - wonder if he's stacked the deck against Wojo/Collins for future head coaching jobs. Can't say I'm unhappy about that. Forgot about Welch -- it will be tough to recruit off the top shelf if you can't get over with Ryan Gomes. Anyone taking odds on when the UCLA job will be open again? As a general observation, it will be interesting to see whether the traditional Big East schools develop a shorter fuse once the conference expands next year. I would just like to add, in my inane and meaningless tradition, that "coachmcguirk" might be the best screen name this board has seen since BubbleVisionBiff. In fact, at the risk of heresy, I think it rivals Billy Zabka All Stars as one of the all-time greats... "I want to make sure that we have a great season this year, even though that's not going to happen 'cause no one can play soccer on our team." "I shouldn't be dating player's moms....except for Rebecca's mom..." As for Mike Brey, he may or may not be the worst coach in the BE, but fuses in South Bend ARE short & they don't seem to be all that happy with him (though the win over UConn silenced much of that, I am sure). If ND doesn't finish strong -- despite a keen fashion sense and having the invincibility shield of being a "Coach K Disciple" -- Brey's butt might very well be "squa" on the hot seat.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Feb 2, 2005 16:55:21 GMT -5
I can bring back the All Stars if you want Boz. the real question is, who would be the captain of your Zabka all star team? 1 - johnny lawrence 2 - greg tolan 3 - chas many go with lawrence. that's crap. he says "you're all right larusso" at the end, after spending weeks, if not months, trying to annihilate the kid. this after he lost the all valley karate championship by running into Danny's foot, disappointing Kreese and the rest of the cobra kai faithul - the crane kick, perhaps the most ridiculous self defense maneuver in history I would just like to add, in my inane and meaningless tradition, that "coachmcguirk" might be the best screen name this board has seen since BubbleVisionBiff. In fact, at the risk of heresy, I think it rivals Billy Zabka All Stars as one of the all-time greats... "I want to make sure that we have a great season this year, even though that's not going to happen 'cause no one can play soccer on our team." "I shouldn't be dating player's moms....except for Rebecca's mom..." As for Mike Brey, he may or may not be the worst coach in the BE, but fuses in South Bend ARE short & they don't seem to be all that happy with him (though the win over UConn silenced much of that, I am sure). If ND doesn't finish strong -- despite a keen fashion sense and having the invincibility shield of being a "Coach K Disciple" -- Brey's butt might very well be "squa" on the hot seat.
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Post by Boz on Feb 2, 2005 17:19:39 GMT -5
the real question is, who would be the captain of your Zabka all star team? Jack. Not a big role, but he did have the line, "She eats too much." OK, probably not. I'd take Chas over Greg Tolan. But Jack does get to be on the team, at least.
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Post by coachmcguirk on Feb 2, 2005 18:08:22 GMT -5
Glad someone on this board watches "Home Movies"
Coach to Melissa's father, during soccer practice:
"You're Melissa's father? She's a good kid, a really good kid. . . MELISSA YOU IDIOT WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!!"
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