tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jan 5, 2009 22:45:09 GMT -5
We did not miss Roy tonight. That's BS. We gave this one away. Someone mentioned DS's play was good in limited minutes? Did we watch different games? The officiating was crap both ways. Yes, Gody's 4th was garbage but he should have picked it up a minute sooner. We didn't need Greg to shut down Gody. We needed what we got from him. Gody took a lot of ill-advised shots and many fell. Greg could have abused Gody more off the dribble but didn't. Not the problem. No one else showed up to play other than Greg. Period. That being said, if we hit our free throws, we still win. ON THEIR COURT. WITH NOTHING GOING FOR US BUT GREG. That's how much better this team is than ND. That and only that is why this loss is hard to take. Glad Sims got some burn and his first dunk that he thought was so special it was worth yelling about. Glad Julian got some boards... we're gonna need both of those kids. We should run ND outta the gym right NOW. Forget 2 months from now. They don't belong in the same sentence. We played like crap but the bright spots were (again) Greg, Sims and Julian. I'd be shocked if we played this poorly again all year. Go HOYAS!!!!
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 5, 2009 22:45:17 GMT -5
Aside from their FT shooting, I don't see why ND deserves a ton of credit for their play. They shot OK, not great (44%). They shot decent from 3 (38%), but not anything that couldn't have been overcome. We outrebounded them, and got to the line more. We just shot ourselves in the foot with our own poor shooting. It had nothing to do with how ND played defense; we had a significant number of open looks and drives to the basket... nothing fell. We lost today because of things that had absolutely everything to do with us and not ND.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jan 5, 2009 22:46:39 GMT -5
Oh... and if things continue as they have, Clark should be starting by year end over Sapp. Love Jessie. He's just not the same lately.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Jan 5, 2009 22:46:47 GMT -5
monroe is sooo much better than hibbert will ever be. Hibbert was an enigma, prone to stupid fouls and as a frosh was not a great player. Monroe has been unbelievable from second one. Imagine how good monroe will be if he ever stayed for his sr season. In the nba Hibbert is going to be bill cartwright if hes lulcky. MOnroe can be kevin garnett.. Anyways your right i was to harsh on sims but if he had an offensive game it could have really helped tonight. Useless was not the right work my appolgys just frustrated a bout the game
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jan 5, 2009 22:57:00 GMT -5
monroe is sooo much better than hibbert will ever be. Hibbert was an enigma, prone to stupid fouls and as a frosh was not a great player. Monroe has been unbelievable from second one. Imagine how good monroe will be if he ever stayed for his sr season. In the nba Hibbert is going to be bill cartwright if hes lulcky. MOnroe can be kevin garnett.. Anyways your right i was to harsh on sims but if he had an offensive game it could have really helped tonight. Useless was not the right work my appolgys just frustrated a bout the game I agree he is a better player, but Hibbert makes us a much better matchup with ND. I'll explain why. Over the season I will take Greg, but this one game if we could do a quick trade I would. Almost every basket Harangody scored over Monroe, was a look he wouldn't have had over Hibbert. He scored Notre Dame's last thirteen points of the first half! When Harangody got going, we started paying too much attention to him, and our guards started cheating in a bit too much, which lead to that too many open threes. Notre Dame was scoring at will on us at times. Hibbert would have made our defense in this game much better, and when Notre Dames offense is stifiled, as we saw the last few times we have played them, their defense just collapses. While most of our offensive troubles had a lot more to do with us than them, it still would have helped if we had put more pressure on their defense, which we didn't. Also Harangody would have had just as much trouble Hibbert as he did with Monroe. None of that matters though. I think we learned a lot from this game, personally. We kept running our stuff and never gave up believing which is more than I can say abou the Pitt game. We still haven't mastered the comeback, but I think that will come. We play the way we did the last three minutes during the last 6 minutes, we win, and I think the team realizes this.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 5, 2009 23:02:19 GMT -5
This team is going to be very, very good by the end of the season. I truly believe that. And Rich, I love you. But Henry useless? Are you serious? Henry was very good tonight. Got the first tough rebounds I've ever seen him get. Was agressive on defense. Much more polished than Vaughn. My only complaint is the fact that he should've taken all of those open shots ND was giving him. We know he can shoot. Let the thing fly. This was a circumstance loss tonight. Our loss to Pitt was much more difficult on the legs than ND's loss to St. John's. You get adrenaline from playing at home. ND's much, much better at home. We got no breaks from the officials. And we still had our chances to win. Playing on one day of rest, on the road, is hard to do. When the schedule came out, I maintained that this would be the most difficult game of the three to win. By the end of the month, however, this team will be night and day to what it is now. By March, nobody will want to see us. Funny... i too thought that Simms should have put up at least one of those open looks. Someone clearly got to him re: all the threes. He still has to look at the basket and remain a threat. That said, nice follow up monster dunk....the kid is an athlete.
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Post by harlemhoya on Jan 5, 2009 23:08:52 GMT -5
Good things happen when Monroe touches the ball. That bounce pass to Summers in the 2nd half was a thing of beauty. Give him the damn ball and let him operate. Come tournament time this team will be playing beautiful basketball. I'm not worried after 2 loses, but we better beat the friars.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Jan 5, 2009 23:13:36 GMT -5
Better beat the Friars is right. Unfortunately, I don't see this team beating 'Cuse right now or winning in Durham. I am not getting all doomsday, since I am still optimistic over the long haul, but they're just not playing all that well right now and both 'Cuse and Duke seem to be playing real well. That's what happens when a young team faces a murderous schedule.
One game at a time, though. Beat the Friars!
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jan 5, 2009 23:17:59 GMT -5
I disagree that Syracuse is playing great basketball right now.
But first things first, as you wisely noted. Can't get on a winning streak until you win the first one.
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harlemhoya
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Post by harlemhoya on Jan 5, 2009 23:18:30 GMT -5
Start Henry and bring Sapp off the bench. Sapp is the perfect 6th man.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 5, 2009 23:26:39 GMT -5
When JTIII was at Princeton where the Ivy League does not have a tournament, he once talked about how he could not afford to play freshmen as much during league play (I think he was talking about Judson Wallace specifically) as he would if he were building the team toward a league tournament. I remembered that tonight because it seemed that JTIII was coaching toward the postseason by giving Clark and Sims so many minutes once he saw that the starters were not sharp. He coached this as an early January game, not as a do-or-die March game.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 5, 2009 23:28:43 GMT -5
3. Im so impressed with monroe he is so much better than hibbert, i dont miss hibbert at all and i thought id never say that. Actually i miss ewing jr the most from last year. i think we lack the fire and rebounding tenacity without hime or a player like him. We missed Roy defensively tonight. He shut down Harangody, something Monroe cannot say Can you imagine a Freshman Roy going up against Harangody tonight?
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 5, 2009 23:29:45 GMT -5
When JTIII was at Princeton where the Ivy League does not have a tournament, he once talked about how he could not afford to play freshmen as much during league play (I think he was talking about Judson Wallace specifically) as he would if he were building the team toward a league tournament. I remembered that tonight because it seemed that JTIII was coaching toward the postseason by giving Clark and Sims so many minutes once he saw that the starters were not sharp. He coached this as an early January game, not as a do-or-die March game. I agree with you BMartin. I was thinking the same thing. He was building some depth today and STILL trying to win the game.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 5, 2009 23:31:27 GMT -5
Don't forget how the past JTIII Georgetown teams improved with time. I thought we played ok tonight, shots didn't fall, free thrown shooting was rough, but overall not bad. Not bad won't cut it against a quality team like Notre Dame but this is early January and we will make strides just like we have the past few years.
The UCONN game showed how dominant we can be when our 5 best players are firing on all cylinders. Those games will happen with more frequency soon.
One note about Wright - I don't like how he hangs in the lane on drives and tries to put in these double clutch rainbow fade away floaters. Would rather see hm go hard and draw more fouls.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 6, 2009 0:19:47 GMT -5
Our guards shot poorly - again. We didn't execute at the FT line.
Honestly, that's about it.
This "if Roy were here" stuff is kinda silly. There's this thing called "eligibility" and "student athlete" thingy that prevented him from being on the floor. Monroe is a different player than Roy. Monroe played his third BE game. I think I'll keep him.
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hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Jan 6, 2009 0:29:45 GMT -5
L. Harangody has developed nicely over these few years. He'll be around on Planet B'ball for a while. It's been fun to watch him develop.
We have several 3 shooters, starting and sitting, who should have McAlarney's # % ^s when it comes to shooting.
Hate to be a broken record but it all goes back to Coach, may his contract be blessed.
He turns his players into b'ball intellectuals.
One gets the feeling that alley-opp slams in practice garner laps after practice.
This risk avoidence, inherent in the P'ton-offense philosophy of percentage play, can lead to tentative play when a coach has his players enthralled to the point of not needing to use a whistle in practice.
Capon, Van Bredakolf, and Carill required an elevated sense of the sport that is hard to sell to recruits.
Query: McKillop is fruit of the same tree. What did coach learn this summer assisting McKillop, a guy who beat us fair and square?
BTW, Capon only played five guys, called The Iron Five, as well as inventing the Five-man Weave, now called the P'ton Offense.. VBK learned this from him, passed it onto Petey C. at Lafayette and McKillop at Hofstra.
You know the rest. If Iron Five is what we have, that's what coach will play.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jan 6, 2009 0:35:25 GMT -5
Our guards shot poorly - again. We didn't execute at the FT line. Honestly, that's about it. This "if Roy were here" stuff is kinda silly. There's this thing called "eligibility" and "student athlete" thingy that prevented him from being on the floor. Monroe is a different player than Roy. Monroe played his third BE game. I think I'll keep him. By point wan't about what ifs, it was the fact someone said this game made them think we will never miss Roy, when this is the only game we are really going to miss him in. Thats it, i wouldn't trade Roy in for Monroe over the course of a season.
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Post by RDF on Jan 6, 2009 0:44:28 GMT -5
Missed FT's haunted Hoyas this game. I've seen some whining about officials--but thought it was well officiated game and worst call was in Hoyas favor--Harangody didn't charge for his 4th.
I'd like to see the guys go up STRONG--when Greg has option of dunking it--do it. Jason Clark went up soft and what should've been at least a FT attempt ended up in a turnover.
Dajuan needs to keep his composure on court more--he's going to get T'd up--and that will cost him a foul--and Hoyas need him.
Good minutes from Henry tonight--liked the activity and competitiveness.
Expected this to be 1-2 out of gates--but also think Hoyas will gain more from this 3 game stretch then their veteran opposition.
Have to get back at it this week in practices and focus on Providence! No reason to have heads down--just need to play better and shots will fall--too good of talent/shooters for them not to.
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Post by GPHoya on Jan 6, 2009 6:01:48 GMT -5
ND did not have to guard Sims when he was in the game. Sims can not guard well on either the perimeter or the interior. I think we were more than minus six during the minutes that Vaughn was in the game and Monroe was out. Ironically, I agree that this was the best game for both and that Sims may someday be a good player and Vaughn a useful player. Right now, however, they are liabilities which require our four best players to play 30+ positive minutes every night. Summers, Freeman and Wright all had sub-par games. Harangody played very well. The officiating was not a problem. We should beat ND in a seven game series, but it would probably go seven games.
Coach says we can improve. Clearly, we need to.
Providence will be a tough game. Need to rebuild confidence of our sophomores.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 6, 2009 6:18:28 GMT -5
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