TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 5, 2009 21:41:28 GMT -5
3. Im so impressed with monroe he is so much better than hibbert, i dont miss hibbert at all and i thought id never say that. Actually i miss ewing jr the most from last year. i think we lack the fire and rebounding tenacity without hime or a player like him. We missed Roy defensively tonight. He shut down Harangody
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 5, 2009 21:41:44 GMT -5
3. Im so impressed with monroe he is so much better than hibbert, i dont miss hibbert at all and i thought id never say that. Actually i miss ewing jr the most from last year. i think we lack the fire and rebounding tenacity without hime or a player like him. We missed Roy defensively tonight. He shut down Harangody, something Monroe cannot say
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Post by royski on Jan 5, 2009 21:41:58 GMT -5
3. Im so impressed with monroe he is so much better than hibbert, i dont miss hibbert at all and i thought id never say that. Actually i miss ewing jr the most from last year. i think we lack the fire and rebounding tenacity without hime or a player like him. We missed Roy defensively tonight. He shut down Harangody Amen.
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Post by guru on Jan 5, 2009 21:42:33 GMT -5
As long as we come back and beat down the Friars on Saturday, this is not a bad loss. It's a disappointing loss, because I think there were openings for us to win this one, but it's not a bad loss.
Notre Dame is a very good team with huge risk/reward - they're the type that could make a deep run in the tourney if their outside shooters are on and 'Gody gets going, but could also get bounced early if they have a bad day shooting. Still, there's no shame in losing to them on their home court.
Move on.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 5, 2009 21:44:57 GMT -5
Tough loss only because it was a winnable game. Highlights were Monroe's play and the solid minutes Simms played. Henry played under control and was active.
The low light for me was the play of Austin. It seems like he can go through 10 minute stretches where he dissappears. If his three isn't falling than he needs to drive the ball or post up. All I heard over the summer is how assertive Austin looked in Kenner... thus far I'm not seeing much of a difference in his game.
Need to win the next couple before Duke.
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Post by royski on Jan 5, 2009 21:46:28 GMT -5
Tough loss only because it was a winnable game. Highlights were Monroe's play and the solid minutes Simms played. Henry played under control and was active. The low light for me was the play of Austin. It seems like he can go through 10 minute stretches where he dissappears. If his three isn't falling than he needs to drive the ball or post up. All I heard over the summer is how assertive Austin looked in Kenner... thus far I'm not seeing much of a difference in his game. Need to win the next couple before Duke. I wish I wasn't seeing much of a difference in Austin's game. We might've won tonight if that were the case.
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Post by guru on Jan 5, 2009 21:48:39 GMT -5
Tough loss only because it was a winnable game. Highlights were Monroe's play and the solid minutes Simms played. Henry played under control and was active. The low light for me was the play of Austin. It seems like he can go through 10 minute stretches where he dissappears. If his three isn't falling than he needs to drive the ball or post up. All I heard over the summer is how assertive Austin looked in Kenner... thus far I'm not seeing much of a difference in his game. Need to win the next couple before Duke. Agree that the play of Sims was the best thing about this game. If we don't develop some sort of bench, we're going nowhere. Also agree that Freeman needs to step it up - he has been awful the last two games and if he plays like that, things are going to be tough for this team.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 5, 2009 21:51:06 GMT -5
This team is going to be very, very good by the end of the season. I truly believe that.
And Rich, I love you. But Henry useless? Are you serious?
Henry was very good tonight. Got the first tough rebounds I've ever seen him get. Was agressive on defense. Much more polished than Vaughn. My only complaint is the fact that he should've taken all of those open shots ND was giving him. We know he can shoot. Let the thing fly.
This was a circumstance loss tonight. Our loss to Pitt was much more difficult on the legs than ND's loss to St. John's. You get adrenaline from playing at home. ND's much, much better at home. We got no breaks from the officials. And we still had our chances to win. Playing on one day of rest, on the road, is hard to do. When the schedule came out, I maintained that this would be the most difficult game of the three to win.
By the end of the month, however, this team will be night and day to what it is now. By March, nobody will want to see us.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 5, 2009 21:53:41 GMT -5
I think the player from past season we missed the most was Hibbert, if everyone is going to bring someone up. We win this game if we have him instead of Monroe, don't get me wrong he played great offensively, but Harangody abused him on defense. Gody has atleast 10 less points in this game with Hibbert, which allows us to tighten up our perimeter defense, and I don't think we would have lost much with Hibbert on offense. That said, it doesn't matter because he isn't coming back, but if people are going to say we didn't miss him and Monroe is so much better, I thought I should defend him with my response.
Also someone said Simms cost us because of his D on gody? Monroes defense on him was just as bad in the first half, and I don't even really remember Sims on him, he did effect atleast two of his shots and had a nice block on him though.
Anyways tough loss, we have to get better, have plenty of time to do so. This makes Providence a must win, and imo, we have to split with Syracuse and Duke. If we can do that we will be in good shape, but thats a huge IF, as I hate our matchup with Cuse.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Jan 5, 2009 21:54:56 GMT -5
i'm disappointed, but i don't think we lost because our defense was bad. i thought we played pretty good defense. our offense was terrible. and it was a few key lapses that took us out of that game. dajuan's fourth foul. he could have floated the ball in, cutting the margin to three. instead we lost momentum and dajuan. clarks decision to ignore summers on the fast break, miss the layup and get a turnover instead of a basket and/or foul. jessie doubling off mcalarney onto jackson. why? where is the discipline? you have to stay with the shooter at all times!
small mental errors make a huge difference, especially on the road. and where was the urgency at the six minute mark? greg scored at will to get us close, but it was too little too late by then. two or three minutes earlier and we could have made a game of it.
i really see no reason why we should ever lose to ND, ever. They rely too heavily on outside shooting, they don't rebound except for gody and they play bad defense. this loss is more frustrating than pitt. pitt is a tough high quality team. nd is not. we should not have lost that game.
i think we are still in good shape, but this game was so winnable; its frustrating to lose, especially losing our poise in key moments and at the line. alas. bring on the friars.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 5, 2009 21:55:27 GMT -5
I think we need to all get used to this team's inconsistency. It seems the board was extremely spoiled by the quick success this season and took the experienced players we have had the last several years for granted. The team is brutally young in an unforgiving conference. Being the team that plays the most freshman and Sophs is not going to be fun in a conference filled with sharks. I expect this roller coaster to continue. But losing at ND is not a bad loss in any way.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 5, 2009 21:59:24 GMT -5
People seem to forget this team starts a freshman (arguably the best one in the country), two sophomores, one junior and one senior. The bench rotation is essentially two sophomores and two freshmen.
A young team, no matter how talented they are, with only one senior is going to struggle at times.
The improvement tonight over Saturday was they made a run to come back when they could have done the same thing as Saturday. They're not yet as good as they looked at UConn nor are they as bad as they looked against Pitt.
It's only January. They're 10-3 with a couple of major wins. The sky is not falling.
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Post by FewFAC on Jan 5, 2009 21:59:50 GMT -5
I didn't see inconsistency. I saw shots that should have fallen that didn't. That happens sometimes. It happened to UNC yesterday. I saw plenty of improvements that long-term are going to make this team extremely dangerous.
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Post by harlemhoya on Jan 5, 2009 22:00:10 GMT -5
Roy Hibbert is not a pimple on Monroes's fanny.
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Post by guru on Jan 5, 2009 22:01:54 GMT -5
Roy Hibbert is not a pimple on Monroes's fanny. Ha! Did someone say he was? ;D
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 5, 2009 22:11:36 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with the atrocious part, but I agree, you just have to hit those threes in these sets. When Wallace struggled last year, we went thru the same thing. I thought Jesse had some nice looking shots tonight. Hopefully, we can get him and Freeman going. Yeah, atrocious was not the right word. Poor guard play from what I think is a case of a tired young team. Hopefully JT3 lightens it up in practice because this season is going to be long and grinding and we have the youngest team in the BE. You can see at times we are already suffering mental lapses and short arming shots. I don't think atrocious is too strong of a term. 26.5% from the field for Sapp/Wright/Freeman the last 2 games is atrocious. Maybe they were tired tonight, but they couldn't have been tired on Saturday when they shot 4-22. Bottom line is they have to make shots, especially when they were getting good looks like they did in the 1st half today. They won't shoot this bad all year, but it has hit rock bottom shooting wise for those three guys.
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Post by harlemhoya on Jan 5, 2009 22:11:50 GMT -5
These fools begging for Roy tonight. The providence game is a must win.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 5, 2009 22:18:22 GMT -5
These fools begging for Roy tonight. The providence game is a must win. Considering Harangody has never scored more than, what, 12 points on him, I don't think its crazy. We win this game with Roy, imo. End of story. But Roy isn't coming back, so it is pointless to talk about. Anyways, the reaction has been muc tamer than I thought it would be. I am living with a gtown "fan", who has totally written us for this season, and next season, with us having a possibility to be good come 2011. Thinks Rivers would be a great improvement over Clark . Makes this board look fairly resonable.
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Post by mapei on Jan 5, 2009 22:33:09 GMT -5
ND deserves a lot of credit - they play a beautiful brand of basketball on offense, and Harangody simply wasn't going to be stoped tonight. We're not *that* much a better team than them according to the polls and preseason pundits. They have won nearly 50 games in a row at home, they are a good team.
Would we win 4 of 7 against them? I think yes. But some nights they are going to be better. Too many of us are looking at the Hoyas from a best-case scenario of how good we are. We're simply not consistent enough, given youth and rebounding/shooting deficiencies, to play a winning game every night in the BE against ranked competition. Get used to it.
We do seem to improve over a season, well, except for one recent year when we lost something like 7 in a row. But this is a tough schedule. I like our chances against Providence and Syracuse.
Good tonight: Monroe Henry More tenacity for boards, loose balls, etc.
Bad: Defense FT shooting Austin/Chris Fatigue
Disappointing, but not a disgrace to lose by 6 to the #13 team in the country on their home court, especially when their big guy hits 11 shots and 9 FTs.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Jan 5, 2009 22:35:55 GMT -5
so what? we also win this game if we make our free throws. we likely win this game is dajuan stays out of foul trouble or doesn't pick up his fourth on that charge. roy was a great player for us, but he is not the missing link. we are a pretty good team as is. that said, the roy bashing is odd since no georgetown center has won more except for that ewing guy.
as for today, the sky certainly isn't falling. nd isn't a bad loss objectively, but i'm not objective. we have owned nd for the last three years because they live by the three and don't do much else outside of gody. despite their record, i know they aren't winning the big east regular season or conference tourney and they aren't getting past the sweet sixteen. we definitely should have beaten them tonight.
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