seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Dec 10, 2008 1:17:12 GMT -5
The difference will be how well the bench develops, rebounds and turnovers. Everything else is FF material. I don't think bench is going to be the problem. Clark alone can be a strong bench with his speed and ability to create as #6. Wattad on the other hand brings shut-down D, improving IQ and some scoring ability. Julian is mobile and can bang, maybe not full time on Blair, but he will provide minutes and if need be fouls. If JTIII is right that Simms can be trusted to shoot from anywhere than he has Reggie Williams-like potential along the baseline with plus size. There is work to be done, but these guys will provide quality minutes.
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royski
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Post by royski on Dec 10, 2008 2:04:04 GMT -5
Did you just put Sims and Reggie Williams in the same sentence? I'm a homer too, but where did you find THAT Kool-Aid?
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 10, 2008 7:35:49 GMT -5
I like Clark's play thus far. I just wish he were more aggressive in looking for his shot.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 10, 2008 14:06:26 GMT -5
Interesting, Sagarin has us ranked #13 and UNC at #1, with our SOS at 164.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 10, 2008 14:14:39 GMT -5
Interesting, Sagarin has us ranked #13 and UNC at #1, with our SOS at 164. Sagarin's "Predictor" model, which is his most accurate, is pure margin of victory and has us at #5. The ELO Chess is 100% based on wins and losses. Who you beat counts, but not by how much. That puts us at #20. The ranking is a combination. Pomeroy used to use this style but moved off the transitive model to more of a points scored/points against system like a lot of the pro sports models. He also adjusts for pace -- whereas Sagarin rewards higher absolute margins of victory which is partially determined by pace.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Dec 10, 2008 15:37:41 GMT -5
let's see how the computer likes us after we play memphis and some other good teams. hope we get those big W's
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Dec 10, 2008 22:49:59 GMT -5
Pomeroy is my new most trusted expert. I'll be proudly wearing my foam finger to the Memphis game. Actually I guess I'll need two foam fingers...until the game ends, then I can probably switch back to one.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 11, 2008 10:22:18 GMT -5
Thanks to Gonzaga beating up on Washington st. a few things have changed. Gonzaga has passed us on the overall list so we're now number 3. But more importantly we've moved into #1 in several categories thanks to the fact that washington st.'s defense got shreaded.
In addition to the #1 2pt FG%which we were already #1 in we're now #1 in:
2pt FG defense, and effective FG % defense.
We're #2 in Effective FG% offense( behind utah st) and in Offensive efficiency( behind ND)
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Dec 14, 2008 13:42:04 GMT -5
Well the computer rankings have been shaken up again! Georgetown back to #2, but wait who's that above us? UNC? NO! Its Gonzaga! kenpom.com/rate.php
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 14, 2008 13:51:17 GMT -5
#1 rated offense so far.
A 98 efficiency against a team that has an adjusted defensive efficiency in the low 80s is actually pretty good.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 14, 2008 14:00:06 GMT -5
in sagarin we also moved up to #8 #4 in the predictor.
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Post by Locker on Dec 14, 2008 19:34:52 GMT -5
Gonzaga is down 3 to Arizona with 8 minutes to play.
Go Wildcats. I would love to be #1 in the Pomeroy ratings tomorrow.
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Locker
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Post by Locker on Dec 14, 2008 20:11:51 GMT -5
Arizona 69, Gonzaga 64
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 14, 2008 22:16:28 GMT -5
That'll change things tomorrow.
FWIW, according to kenpom Gtown has the toughest SOS so far in the Big East. Number 2? Last place DePaul.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 15, 2008 10:23:47 GMT -5
As of today(Monday), #1 is.... Georgetown! Let's hope it's that way at the end of the year!
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 15, 2008 10:36:30 GMT -5
I don't know how accurate it is this time of year, but it sure is great to see GU @ #1. 3 BIG EAST teams in the top 5 4 in the top 10
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millerj9
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Post by millerj9 on Dec 15, 2008 10:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 15, 2008 11:02:01 GMT -5
Obviously a lot will happen between now and Selection Sunday, but that's just a gnarly prediction.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 15, 2008 11:19:33 GMT -5
Wow... that's pretty incredible. On an individual game prediction, it has us winning every single one. I guess the computer makes different assumptions per game than for the season as a whole. No, I don't think we are going 16-2 on the BE Season. This team can beat anyone, but they have to come out on top of our game, fully motivated and ready, no injuries, no serious foul trouble. If we come out a bit flat... and you know, no team comes out pumped EVERY single game all season. There will be let downs. If we have a let down and our opponents are charged up -- see BE Final, March 2008, we lose. OK, enough of the caveats. It is simply awesome to see the kind of regard for the program. Our Hoyas are already very good and getting better. By the way, in their responses to" "5 questions about the BE." Mike DeCourcy, Jay Bilas and Seth Davis all answered GEORGETOWN when asked which team is likely to improve the most over the course of this season.
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Post by jgalt on Dec 15, 2008 11:33:54 GMT -5
On an individual game prediction, it has us winning every single one. I guess the computer makes different assumptions per game than for the season as a whole. yes, the final record is found independently from each game
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