idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Dec 30, 2008 23:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by tpk3 on Dec 31, 2008 16:26:01 GMT -5
yeah Prather is an athlete all right. Vandy looks like they have a good shot but UNC is just starting to show interest as of a few weeks ago. and once unc gets involved all bets are off. he would be a backup plan after harrison barnes. UNC knows barnes is going to wait until the spring so they need to keep evaluating other options in case. also they are monitoring 2011 kids- gbinije, mcadoo, pj hairston. gbinje/hairston being wing type players. some people at unc want to downplay all this so as to not send wrong message to other recruits (i think peopl know who i am talking about). it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
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Post by tpk3 on Jan 7, 2009 6:12:56 GMT -5
heard JT3 was in the house last night checking out Roscoe. And the young fella put on a show. Keep showing him the love JT3! will try to get details later.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 7, 2009 10:13:29 GMT -5
what do those in the know think are our chances of getting roscoe? 50/50? better/worse? thanks in advance.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 7, 2009 13:05:05 GMT -5
50/50 would be phenomenal, since I understand that many top programs are showing a serious interest in him.
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ceb8
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Post by ceb8 on Jan 7, 2009 13:25:52 GMT -5
I don't know about the percentages now but I can give a pretty good guess if UNC ever offers. However, it is good that we have been showing him love since the beginning of his recruitment and not trying to enter the game late.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 7, 2009 14:12:36 GMT -5
hm so you're saying if UNC offers it's all over and he goes there? Kind of strange considering they haven't offered him yet. As a former college athlete I know when I was being recruited I valued a program that wanted me over one where I was their second or third option. Also why are these kids so enamored with going to teams where they are competing with other 5 star recruits for playing time? Awhile back I ran across an article (prob when Roscoe was a soph) that said he would really like to go to Georgetown. Has this changed?
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Jan 7, 2009 15:31:50 GMT -5
hm so you're saying if UNC offers it's all over and he goes there? Kind of strange considering they haven't offered him yet. As a former college athlete I know when I was being recruited I valued a program that wanted me over one where I was their second or third option. Also why are these kids so enamored with going to teams where they are competing with other 5 star recruits for playing time? Awhile back I ran across an article (prob when Roscoe was a soph) that said he would really like to go to Georgetown. Has this changed? UNC in basketball is kind of a cheap version of USC in football, imo. They have the track record of getting their players to the pros and of competing year-in-year-out for National Championships. I'm not saying that Georgetown isn't capable of that or hasn't shown an ability to get players to the pros, but we aren't yet on the same level as UNC. There is a great tradition and prestige attached and there is an allure to playing against other 5-stars everyday -- makes you a lot better in practice. USC's players often state that practice is harder than games. Also, at UNC, you know that the guys in front of you are most likely going to jump to the NBA early, leaving you with a starting job after a year or two -- or you end up like Marvin Williams going #2 (?) as their 6th man. Obviously, their coaches are also tremendous recruiters and they give everyone that can play some playing time. The frenetic pace, the offense-first attitude, the constant adoration by media, and the 10-12 deep rotation helps them greatly in recruiting 17-18 year old kids. Georgetown will get to that level and a player like Roscoe would be the type of tipping point in getting there. 2010 seems to be our big year in recruiting -- we seem to be doing extremely well after that. 2009 could have been, imo, but it was a down year in terms of talent so JTIII looked to 2010 and 2011. It's all about momentum -- UNC has it right now, Georgetown is gaining it. If UNC fails to make the Final Four and Georgetown gets to the Elite Eight, that shift could be quicker. The major recruiting powers, imo, on the atlantic are us and UNC -- we don't go after every big name, but right now we are the programs that get the ones we want. Us getting Greg Monroe was huge in battling Duke and Roscoe will be big for recruiting battles with UNC.
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Post by russodj on Jan 7, 2009 15:36:21 GMT -5
Not to hijack this thread but according to Inside Carolina, UNC seems more likely to offer Travis McKie than Roscoe Smith.
Are the Hoyas after McKie, out of Richmond?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 7, 2009 16:45:31 GMT -5
UNC in basketball is kind of a cheap version of USC in football, imo. What does USC have to do with this, at all? And why is UNC a "cheap" version of USC?
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Post by royski on Jan 7, 2009 17:06:08 GMT -5
Because the prestige gap between USC and everyone else in football is greater than the gap between UNC and everyone else in basketball.
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Jan 7, 2009 17:51:02 GMT -5
Royski basically got it. The question asked was why 5-star players would go to a school to back-up other 5-star players. The only other situation where this continually happens in college sports that I can think of (besides Cal Rugby) is USC football. The difference is that there are more options in college basketball and less scholarships so the talent gets dispersed more. UNC gets basically every player they want, just like USC, but UNC hasn't locked down the entire Atlantic recruiting (as I said, as much because of lower numbers of scholarships as anything -- also greater prestige of other teams on the Atlantic Coast), whereas USC basically has the Pacific locked down. Hence, the "cheaper version" -- probably could have said slightly less dominant recruiting version, but oh well. The only reason USC loses recruits is because they want to be immediate starters; the same doesn't go for UNC -- sometimes true, but sometimes it's to go to a greater academic school or a different team mentality/philosophy like Georgetown. I was trying to answer the question and it was the only similar situation I could think of, that's all.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 7, 2009 18:23:15 GMT -5
In football USC cannot go into SEC territory, Big Ten territory or Big 12 territory and take virtually every five star athlete that they want. Especially not tif he big powers of those territories have been recruiting those local five-star guys for a whole lot longer. But UNC (and Duke) can do this in basketball 80% of the time it seems. Its not the same.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 7, 2009 20:16:17 GMT -5
In football USC cannot go into SEC territory, Big Ten territory or Big 12 territory and take virtually every five star athlete that they want. Especially not tif he big powers of those territories have been recruiting those local five-star guys for a whole lot longer. But UNC (and Duke) can do this in basketball 80% of the time it seems. Its not the same. Exactly.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 7, 2009 20:48:26 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree on this MCI and CT. Joe Mcknight who hails from River Ridge (LA) was the #1 RB prospect in the country two years ago and USC got him despite getting into his recruiting late and every SEC school (especially LSU)offering much earlier than they did. As Dudes stated earlier USC does not need to recruit country wide due to how plentiful prospects are on the west coast but if they really want someone from another region it's a good bet they'll get him.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 7, 2009 21:02:01 GMT -5
In football USC cannot go into SEC territory, Big Ten territory or Big 12 territory and take virtually every five star athlete that they want. Especially not tif he big powers of those territories have been recruiting those local five-star guys for a whole lot longer. But UNC (and Duke) can do this in basketball 80% of the time it seems. Its not the same. Except that they have. Repeatedly. Joe McKnight. John David Booty. Brian Cushing. Dwayne Jarrett. Mike Williams. Fred Davis. Keith Rivers. Patrick Turner. Vidal Hazleton. Emmanuel Moody. Ronald Johnson. This isn't about USC, though, but especially at the skill positions, USC has gone in to other strongholds -- many times very late -- and grabbed guys.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 7, 2009 22:08:01 GMT -5
In football USC cannot go into SEC territory, Big Ten territory or Big 12 territory and take virtually every five star athlete that they want. Especially not tif he big powers of those territories have been recruiting those local five-star guys for a whole lot longer. But UNC (and Duke) can do this in basketball 80% of the time it seems. Its not the same. Except that they have. Repeatedly. Joe McKnight. John David Booty. Brian Cushing. Dwayne Jarrett. Mike Williams. Fred Davis. Keith Rivers. Patrick Turner. Vidal Hazleton. Emmanuel Moody. Ronald Johnson. [Since this post has gotten off-topic I will make this a last ditch attempt on my part to pursue this argument.] Okay, now take a look at that impressive list above of those USC recruits. Now think about how many more players and positions there are for football than basketball. Now think about the list in this decade alone that UNC basketball can post in terms of grabbing five stars across the country. Or use Duke as an example. Either way remember relatively speaking that football has 11 starters on offense and 11 different starters on defense and then consider than basketball puts out 5 starters that play both ends of the floor. So we're talking percentages here. And yet UNC seems to have brought in nearly as many starst from around the nation to fill five starting slots (and backup roles) as USC has for its twenty-two starting slots (nad backups). Now with all that considered don't you think UNC's reach when it comes to its basketball recruiting haul has been more impressive than USC's showing for its football recruiting? And I will argue that the main reason why USC's results on the field have been better this decade than UNC's results on the court is because USC gets to keep its great players for three years while UNC could lose some of its best after one year (in fact this decade a few great high school players (like Dwight Howard and Josh Smith) said no to UNC because they went staright to the NBA--an option that football players don't have of course. I don't know. I still think UNC has more influence on its sports because it and Duke are put on the ultimate pedestal by the media (ESPN primarily). As much pub as USC gets I don't think you can claim that it gets favored over Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, etc nationwide by the press. Yes, its located in a top two media market but a)that market is not obsessed with sports and b)its still located on the west coast.
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Post by jgalt on Jan 7, 2009 22:51:39 GMT -5
so i really hope Roscoe Smith comes to play basketball at georgetown ;D...
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 7, 2009 23:24:40 GMT -5
can anyone comment on my original question about how he listed us as and ND as his favorites sometime in his freshman year? Hopefully this is a good sign... www.i95ballerz.com/story%20-%20roscoe%20smith.html*disclaimer: i know opinions and situations change but hey i can hope....hopefully he returns the love bein shown to him by the staff...cant hurt we were his favorite at one point either
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Post by ceb8 on Jan 7, 2009 23:34:00 GMT -5
It is a good sign to know that we have been recruiting him for a long time. I didn't read the entire article except for that quote. Maybe at that point Gtown and ND were part of the short list who was showing interest. I am not sure if those were two schools he always liked before his recruitment. But now things have changed and his recruiting status has skyrocketed. Now he has offers from pretty much every school except for UNC and Duke(may be wrong). But there has been rumors that if UNC offers he will go. But I am no recruiting insider. But certainly his current recruiting landscape is entirely different from his freshmen year.
But we have been there since the beginning which bodes well for us(I hope).
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