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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 7, 2009 11:11:02 GMT -5
Key words: future mother-in-law of Bristol Palin Not Sarah Palin Not even Sarah Palin's mother Not even Sarah Palin's mother-in-law Not even Sarah Palin's daughter Not even Sarah Palin's daugher's fiance But Sarah Palin's daughter's fiance's mother. Yeah. Still not noteworthy. You want to give me 5 minutes and see how much dirt we can dig up on Joe Biden's son? That's not noteworthy either. I'll give you those 5 minutes. In fact, take all day. Whadya got on Biden's kid, who's off fighting that war that some of us seem to like more than others? Let's not compare the Biden and the Palin families. I don't care the slightest bit about Levi's mother's drug problem. It's kind of funny, but it's irrelevant. But I am a huge fan of the Bidens and don't think the Palin family is fit to do Joe's mother's laundry.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 7, 2009 11:15:52 GMT -5
Key words: future mother-in-law of Bristol Palin Not Sarah Palin Not even Sarah Palin's mother Not even Sarah Palin's mother-in-law Not even Sarah Palin's daughter Not even Sarah Palin's daugher's fiance But Sarah Palin's daughter's fiance's mother. Yeah. Still not noteworthy. You want to give me 5 minutes and see how much dirt we can dig up on Joe Biden's son? That's not noteworthy either. I'll give you those 5 minutes. In fact, take all day. Whadya got on Biden's kid, who's off fighting that war that some of us seem to like more than others? Let's not compare the Biden and the Palin families. I don't care the slightest bit about Levi's mother's drug problem. It's kind of funny, but it's irrelevant. But I am a huge fan of the Bidens and don't think the Palin family is fit to do Joe's mother's laundry. His other son, Hunter, and his brother, are being sued for defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082302200.html
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 7, 2009 11:32:20 GMT -5
5 month old allegations? Has this gone anywhere or is it still festering around in the court of "He said, she said"? I'll wait until something comes of this before comparing this family to the first family of Alaska.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 7, 2009 11:45:58 GMT -5
5 month old allegations? Has this gone anywhere or is it still festering around in the court of "He said, she said"? I'll wait until something comes of this before comparing this family to the first family of Alaska. Or the New York Supreme Court. I like how you assume that everything is on the up and up with the Bidens but not with the Palins. Personally, I'd go the other way on both of them. You don't think there's anything sketchy about a Senator's son lobbying him?
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Post by Boz on Jan 7, 2009 14:47:54 GMT -5
The Biden family is a good family, despite legal troubles some of them may have gotten into. In fact, I know they are a good family from first-hand experience. But you know what? So is the Palin family. They may live according to a different standard, or set of values, or set of priorities than probably the majority of people who are fortunate enough to attend Georgetown University, but what exactly is it about that family that makes them "not fit to do Joe Biden's mother's laundry," exactly? You want to say Sarah Palin was not ready or qualified to be VP? Fine. We just had an election and the American people rendered their verdict on that, so I won't argue with you, even if I might personally disagree. Your opinion on that matter has been vindicated. But I really don't understand where this Palin detestation comes from from so many liberals. Yes, she's a populist. So is Obama, just a more eloquent one. Yes, she's religious. So's Obama. Yes, she hunts and enjoys the outdoors and doesn't mind seeing turkeys being killed for food and eschews pursuits that many intellectuals consider sine qua nons of political and/or social existence. Guess what? Your life probably seems pretty foreign and strange to people like that too. But, of course, we are better than them. Sounds like a little bit of dangerous thinking there to me. To Cam's point, was it worthy of a news story? Sure. OK. But it's also been debunked pretty quickly. And yet, that does not seem to stop some of us from using the example of a woman who is not even related to the Palins -- yet -- to feel comfortable in calling them, in so many words, garbage. And you wonder why some of us think the term "liberal elitism" is still a relevant one. EDIT:I should note, in all fairness, that there is an exponential growth relationship between the following two factors: Y = trivial issues that Boz would otherwise let pass right by without comment, but are really ticking him off currently and X = consecutive Hoya losses If all goes well, I will be in a much better mood Saturday afternoon.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 7, 2009 21:05:22 GMT -5
Key words: future mother-in-law of Bristol Palin Not Sarah Palin Not even Sarah Palin's mother Not even Sarah Palin's mother-in-law Not even Sarah Palin's daughter Not even Sarah Palin's daugher's fiance But Sarah Palin's daughter's fiance's mother. Yeah. Still not noteworthy. You want to give me 5 minutes and see how much dirt we can dig up on Joe Biden's son? That's not noteworthy either. If these criteria were applied to Obama's alleged connections to Rev. Wright or Professor Ayers during the campaign, there would not have been a controversy. Given the seeming redneckisy of the Troopergate scandal, of course a tie to a woman who runs the meth lab will draw attention (and the possible conception of a granddaughter in the living room of a woman who runs a meth lab will draw attention).
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Post by Boz on Jan 8, 2009 9:33:36 GMT -5
Remind me again of how we got from a woman who is accused of selling prescription painkillers to a woman who is running a meth lab?
I grant you, if there was a story saying that Sarah Palin knew what this woman was up to, yes, that is noteworthy. Beyond noteworthy. That's front page news in every paper in the country. Outside of that, no this really doesn't compare at all to a Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers type of situation, which were questions of Obama's own personal judgment (and I didn't really care about those either). You could say that Sarah and Todd Palin SHOULD have known more about the mother of the boy their daughter was dating. That's certainly fair.
I also fail to see how the Troopergate scandal -- another case of a lot of bluster without much behind it -- is "rednecksey," which is a fairly pejorative term. Because politics were intermingled with family issues?? Wow. I guess the entire Kennedy clan are nothing more than a bunch of rednecks.
(I need to Prividence game to happen, like, now.)
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Post by njhoya06 on Apr 1, 2009 13:04:55 GMT -5
Above conversation made more amusing by Biden's daughter doing blow.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 1, 2009 13:44:26 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Apr 1, 2009 14:38:39 GMT -5
As someone recently said to me:
"As least someone in the Biden family doesn't screw up lines."
I could care less about Joe Biden's daughter, except to hope that she doesn't destroy her life with this drug, but that was pretty funny.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 1, 2009 15:37:27 GMT -5
According to the NYT, it "appears" some of the prosecutors involved will face ethics charges. www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/us/politics/02stevens.html?_r=1&hpFWIW, I am not overly familiar with the federal disclosure rules, which may state prosecutor notes count as undiscoverable 'work product,' but the conversation described sure sounds like something the defense should have been made aware of. I'll reaffirm my comments from Page 2, and I guess it might be appropriate to quote Brady v. Maryland here: "An inscription on the walls of the Department of Justice states the proposition candidly for the federal domain: "The United States wins its point whenever justice is done its citizens in the courts." A prosecution that withholds evidence on demand of an accused which, if made available, would tend to exculpate him or reduce the penalty helps shape a trial that bears heavily on the defendant. That casts the prosecutor in the role of an architect of a proceeding that does not comport with standards of justice, even though, as in the present case, his action is not "the result of guile," to use the words of the Court of Appeals."
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Post by kchoya on Apr 1, 2009 15:53:57 GMT -5
According to the NYT, it "appears" some of the prosecutors involved will face ethics charges. www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/us/politics/02stevens.html?_r=1&hpFWIW, I am not overly familiar with the federal disclosure rules, which may state prosecutor notes count as undiscoverable 'work product,' but the conversation described sure sounds like something the defense should have been made aware of. I'll reaffirm my comments from Page 2, and I guess it might be appropriate to quote Brady v. Maryland here: "An inscription on the walls of the Department of Justice states the proposition candidly for the federal domain: "The United States wins its point whenever justice is done its citizens in the courts." A prosecution that withholds evidence on demand of an accused which, if made available, would tend to exculpate him or reduce the penalty helps shape a trial that bears heavily on the defendant. That casts the prosecutor in the role of an architect of a proceeding that does not comport with standards of justice, even though, as in the present case, his action is not "the result of guile," to use the words of the Court of Appeals." I'm stretching back several years here, but in my time at the Criminal Justice Clinic at Georgetown, I had several cases against the DC U.S. Attorney's office, and I seem to remember that, in addition to Brady, there was a federal statute (I think) that also required the prosecutor to turn over most of his file as a matter of course. While it sounds like Brady is clearly implicated, there might be several grounds on which to go after these attorneys.
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