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Post by Elvado on Oct 2, 2008 10:37:24 GMT -5
and demand Biden disavow Obama's statement, as written in and read by Barack in his book on tape, that "the white man's greed fuels a worldof need"
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Post by Boz on Oct 2, 2008 10:52:42 GMT -5
Yeesh. Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.
I wouldn't mind though, if she asked Biden why Barack Obama said that our economy has "strong fundamentals" after Obama & Biden and much of the media spent a week mocking John McCain (including in the first debate) for saying "the fundamentals of our economy are strong."
Funny how that hasn't been covered at all.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 2, 2008 10:53:55 GMT -5
Not funny. Sad.
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Post by TC on Oct 2, 2008 12:37:42 GMT -5
Someone needs to explain to Palin what the third rail is before suggesting this.
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Post by Bando on Oct 2, 2008 12:50:32 GMT -5
and demand Biden disavow Obama's statement, as written in and read by Barack in his book on tape, that "the white man's greed fuels a worldof need" You know he was quoting Rev. Wright, and not saying that himself. Quote mine = FAIL |
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Post by Elvado on Oct 2, 2008 13:07:28 GMT -5
So he should get a pass? It's still vile race-baiting, is it not?
Would McCain get a pass if he quoted David Duke?
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 2, 2008 13:12:56 GMT -5
To the real third rail - In any of the debates, do you think any of the presidential or vice presidential candidates will be forced (yes forced) to detail their plan for "saving Social Security"? This means answering questions such as "will you support raising the retirement age and, if so, to what age?"; "will you support raising social security taxes and, if so, by how much and for whom?"; "will you support lowering social security payments and, if so, for whom and by how much?"; "do you plan on having a Social Security trust fund that cannot be raided to pay for other programs (a lockbox)?; and, finally "explain, in detail, how your plan for Social Security is fiscally sound".
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Post by Elvado on Oct 2, 2008 13:17:02 GMT -5
Sadly, no. The debates are a farce. The moderators (including Mr. Lehrer) do not have the stones to call the candidates on the inevitable non-responses they give.
I would love to see a moderator say to one of these candidates
"That's nice, your time is up. Now you can have another two minutes to actually answer my question instead of giving me that canned talking point garbage. and we will keep doing this question until you answer it".
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Post by rosslynhoya on Oct 2, 2008 13:35:56 GMT -5
To the real third rail - In any of the debates, do you think any of the presidential or vice presidential candidates will be forced (yes forced) to detail their plan for "saving Social Security"? This means answering questions such as "will you support raising the retirement age and, if so, to what age?"; "will you support raising social security taxes and, if so, by how much and for whom?"; "will you support lowering social security payments and, if so, for whom and by how much?"; "do you plan on having a Social Security trust fund that cannot be raided to pay for other programs (a lockbox)?; and, finally "explain, in detail, how your plan for Social Security is fiscally sound". I don't think TC's comment had anything to do with Social Security... I think he was suggesting that a haughty East Coastal elitist should take the time to explain to the country bumpkin how a subway works. I nominate a dimwitted blowhard from Dela-where? as the haughty East Coast elitist to do it. |
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Post by TC on Oct 2, 2008 14:03:11 GMT -5
I don't think TC's comment had anything to do with Social Security... I think he was suggesting that a haughty East Coastal elitist should take the time to explain to the country bumpkin how a subway works. I nominate a dimwitted blowhard from Dela-where? as the haughty East Coast elitist to do it. Alaska has trains (although none are electrified to my knowledge). I don't think Sarah Palin knows what the "third rail" is in the metaphorical sense, and given what we've heard this week I don't think that's an outrageous estimation. I think it's kinda ironic every time someone here tries to attack "East Coast Elites". Whether you want ownership of it or not, Georgetown is an elitist East Coast institution, and in some sense, you are attacking yourself. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 2, 2008 14:16:26 GMT -5
Where's hifi to call you guys conservative butt-buddies? This thread looks a lot like the one we Obama-folks got basically called "gay" for having. Regardless, we were making some valid points then, and you guys are here.
I'd actually like to hear someone ask OBAMA to explain a quotation from his own book. I'm sure he has a good answer. Or maybe he doesn't. After hearing what he has to say about it, THEN maybe ask Joe Biden to denounce. But why have Biden comment on something before getting the context and rationale for using such a line.
Also, I don't exactly think what with everything going on financially right now, we should poo-poo the idea of "white man's greed." There are a bunch of people with my skin color who are collecting million dollar severance packages for performing their jobs poorly, and the entire country is suffering because of it. I don't love the race component in the sentiment. It's not necessarily accurate. But I also don't think it's outlandish race-baiting.
As far as Obama saying that the fundamentals are strong, what was the context? I've heard about this several times but don't know precisely in what context he said such a thing. Regardless, it is dumb.
No one will ever talk about Social Security because no one is willing to admit that if average people live to 85, maybe they shouldn't get 20 years of fully-funded retirement.
Joe Biden is many things, but dim-witted? Really?
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Post by Elvado on Oct 2, 2008 14:19:19 GMT -5
Would it be outlandish race-baiting to suggest that the subprime mess was occasioned by Congress' desire to allow minorities to own homes they couldn't otherwise afford?
Just wondering?
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Post by TC on Oct 2, 2008 14:29:42 GMT -5
Would it be outlandish race-baiting to suggest that the subprime mess was occasioned by Congress' desire to allow minorities to own homes they couldn't otherwise afford? Just wondering? Yes. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 2, 2008 14:36:32 GMT -5
Would it be outlandish race-baiting to suggest that the subprime mess was occasioned by Congress' desire to allow minorities to own homes they couldn't otherwise afford? Just wondering? That is certainly another way to frame it. I don't love the idea of letting ANYONE, minority or not, own something that they can't possibly afford. Actually, I very much dislike the idea. Maybe it was well-intentioned, but it's created quite a mess. And out of the mess, there are undeniably obvious examples of absurd, outlandish greed. |
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Post by Elvado on Oct 2, 2008 14:40:59 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up. Under that rubric, Obama is a race-baiter by quoting Wright's horse manure in his book. I'll take that.
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Post by Bando on Oct 2, 2008 14:48:33 GMT -5
Would it be outlandish race-baiting to suggest that the subprime mess was occasioned by Congress' desire to allow minorities to own homes they couldn't otherwise afford? Just wondering? No, it would just be ridiculously untrue. |
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Oct 2, 2008 15:21:04 GMT -5
Sadly, no. The debates are a farce. The moderators (including Mr. Lehrer) do not have the stones to call the candidates on the inevitable non-responses they give. I would love to see a moderator say to one of these candidates "That's nice, your time is up. Now you can have another two minutes to actually answer my question instead of giving me that canned talking point garbage. and we will keep doing this question until you answer it". that would be awesome and might help people on the fence decide how to vote... and unfortunately it will not happen. |
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Post by Boz on Oct 2, 2008 15:41:00 GMT -5
Lehrer tried that at the last debate. And Obama still wouldn't pinpoint one of his proposed programs that he would consider cutting. His answer was -- dare I say -- Palin-esque.  |
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Post by Bando on Oct 2, 2008 15:59:06 GMT -5
Lehrer tried that at the last debate. And Obama still wouldn't pinpoint one of his proposed programs that he would consider cutting. His answer was -- dare I say -- Palin-esque. No, a Palin-esque answer would have been "Tango baloney sandwich abortion strays in my hallowed modem." |
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Oct 2, 2008 16:04:51 GMT -5
Yes, thank you Sarah Palin: FINALLY the return of Nirvana-esque lyrics to the mainstream consciousness!
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