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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Sept 24, 2008 20:03:09 GMT -5
Personally, I'd like both campaigns to take the next couple of days focusing on exactly what they would do if elected to abate the financial crisis, draft timetables for action, determine consistencies, contingencies, and alternatives, and then DEBATE THE HECK OUT OF EACH OTHER on Friday.
Honest question: how much influence will either candidate have on the Bailout Bill's deliberations & details? I think not much.
To me, this seems like McCain is just stalling until he can figure out how to deal with one of his major policy weaknesses at perhaps a most critical time. And what SirSaxa said (nice bball analogy!).
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 24, 2008 20:08:03 GMT -5
I agree with SirSaxa's analogy to the point that I think it is time for McCain to be benched...like Cornelio Guibunda benched.
This was a classic Washington trick, and I think most will see through it. Recognize that this is the first time all year, I believe, that McCain has attended to official Senate business in DC, and he waited for a crisis to do it. It did not even take votes to support his good friend David Petraeus to bring him back to DC.
He has seen the poll numbers and didn't like them. So, they scrambled out the campaign pollster to go through poll numbers today, and then decided to pull the campaign team off the battlefield. It is telling that ed, kc, et al. no longer seem to quote these polls. Loyal Republicans can't even count on Fox News any more, which puts McCain at 39% right now.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 24, 2008 20:28:41 GMT -5
"This is exactly the time the American people need to hear from the person who in about 40 days will be responsible for with dealing with this mess," Obama said. "In my mind, [the debate] is more important then ever." Typical Obama. Let's talk about it instead of actually trying to solve the problem. Who knows if having McCain (or Obama) involved in the process in Washington will help or not. At the very least Obama might get some material for yet another book to write. I didn't realize McCain supporters were so opposed to candidates who write books. McCain has written 5 books with a member of his campaign staff and has contributed to countless others. Obama has written 2 books. This kind of argument is made when a campaign is grasping at straws, and McCain's campaign is there now.
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Post by Bando on Sept 24, 2008 20:34:58 GMT -5
KC, I think the reality is if either or both candidates try to get involved in the active negotiation of this bail out proposal, it will become even MORE political and less Bi-partisan. It will be quite apparent they will each try to take advantage to help themselves in the election. That is not in the best interest of getting this thing done quickly and in a bi-partisan manner. And McCain has publicly stated that Economics and Finance are NOT his strong suit. Exactly. It's the exact sort of impulsiveness and self-righteousness that George Will talked about a few days ago. McCain's losing, so he makes a bold risky move. And he's probably convinced only he can save the American economy, notwithstanding his lack of membership in any relevant committee. Country first my butt, this is a purely political move. Of course, Lindsay Graham is now talking about moving Friday's debate to next Thursday, and moving the VP debate that day to sometime in the future. Like Nov. 5.
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Post by Bando on Sept 24, 2008 20:37:31 GMT -5
"This is exactly the time the American people need to hear from the person who in about 40 days will be responsible for with dealing with this mess," Obama said. "In my mind, [the debate] is more important then ever." Typical Obama. Let's talk about it instead of actually trying to solve the problem. Who knows if having McCain (or Obama) involved in the process in Washington will help or not. At the very least Obama might get some material for yet another book to write. I didn't realize McCain supporters were so opposed to candidates who write books. McCain has written 5 books with a member of his campaign staff and has contributed to countless others. Obama has written 2 books. This kind of argument is made when a campaign is grasping at straws, and McCain's campaign is there now. Well you see, Jersey, KC can still make fun of Obama for writing books, even though McCain has written more because...er...HOLY CRAP WHAT'S THAT?!? </runs away>
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 24, 2008 20:44:47 GMT -5
Well if Palin was a hail mary, this is running the Stanford Band play. He's losing the game and is almost sure to fumble.
You've got to admit, it would be hilarious in a bad way if this man is elected. Every time his poll numbers went down he'd overthrow his cabinet or eliminate a government agency.
How many times can you re-invent your position on the biggest issue of the election 40 days before the election and stay within 10 points of your opponent? We'll soon find out.
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Post by Bando on Sept 24, 2008 20:45:40 GMT -5
Well if Palin was a hail mary, this is running the Stanford Band play. He's losing the game and is almost sure to fumble. You've got to admit, it would be hilarious in a bad way if this man is elected. Every time his poll numbers went down he'd overthrow his cabinet or eliminate a government agency. How many times can you re-invent your position on the biggest issue of the election 40 days before the election and stay within 10 points of your opponent? We'll soon find out. "It's the longest Hail Mary pass in the history of either football or Marys." - Barney Frank, today
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 24, 2008 20:47:59 GMT -5
Additional point: You know things are bad when you have to "suspend" your campaign to break through and get the lead in the national news.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 24, 2008 20:52:53 GMT -5
I didn't realize McCain supporters were so opposed to candidates who write books. McCain has written 5 books with a member of his campaign staff and has contributed to countless others. Obama has written 2 books. This kind of argument is made when a campaign is grasping at straws, and McCain's campaign is there now. Well you see, Jersey, KC can still make fun of Obama for writing books, even though McCain has written more because...er...HOLY CRAP WHAT'S THAT?!? </runs away> The argument should go one step further, which is to say that it is really McCain who covets the spotlight and acts like a celebrity. Consider the following -- 1. McCain has made an appearance in cult movies, including Wedding Crashers. 2. He had an affair with a wealthy beer heiress/socialite. 3. He made his VP announcement roughly 12 hours after Obama accepted the nomination for fear that Obama would dominate the news cycle. 4. He asked an actor from Law and Order to deliver the first major speech of the Republican Convention. 5. McCain has appeared on the Tonight Show 11 times, Daily Show (12 times), Entertainment Tonight (twice), Letterman (8 times), Larry King (9 times), Meet the Press (6 times), etc.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Sept 24, 2008 22:04:35 GMT -5
They both should go to Washington for this and then return and have the debate Friday or Saturday. I'm not sure why this is such a big deal either way. This is an election year which makes both these guys the respective leaders of their parties so they probably should be there.
If it delays the debate a day, big deal.
Oh OK checked Obama's site and now he has agreed to go to Washington but still wants the debate. Good. That's what should happen.
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Post by DrumsGoBang on Sept 25, 2008 7:26:29 GMT -5
"This is exactly the time the American people need to hear from the person who in about 40 days will be responsible for with dealing with this mess," Obama said. "In my mind, [the debate] is more important then ever." Typical Obama. Let's talk about it instead of actually trying to solve the problem. Who knows if having McCain (or Obama) involved in the process in Washington will help or not. At the very least Obama might get some material for yet another book to write. What do you expect McCain to do instead of talking about the problem? Is he going to ride to Wall Street on a horse and challenge bad loans to bare-knuckle boxing matches? No, the only job of a Senator is to talk about problems. They can debate (talk) on the floor. Talk about the problems in committee. Propose a bill or amendment, which you may have to talk about...or you can use that new type of talking on paper called writing. Finally they can vote, which may or may not involve talking. I also enjoy talking a few days off just so I can push a button once and then nap the rest of the time. The only reason McCain is suspending his campaign is to TALK with his campaign advisers to figure out how to TALK to the American people about the crisis and regain some poll standings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2008 8:03:44 GMT -5
This is exactly why anyone who wants to run for President should RESIGN FROM THE OFFICE THEY HOLD AT THE START OF THEIR CAMPAIGN.
There is no way Obama has adequately represented the people of Illinois for the past YEAR or however long he has campaigned. There is no way McCain has adequately represented the folks in Arizona lo' these many months. For these guy(s) to now suggest they get back to... you know... THEIR JOBS and actually DO THE WORK THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO is a complete slap in the fact to the taxpayers who pay their salaries, fund their Secret Service protection and PUT THEM IN OFFICE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
You jerks haven't done your jobs for months to begin with, why start now?!? And please, don't tell me they can't spend all week with their party-appointed advisers crafting that perfect little soundbite AND prepare for a largely scripted debate at the end of the week. Multi-task, morons... everyone else does.
I think both of these guys (and pretty much anyone who's ever campaigned while holding public office) are responsible for short-changing their constituents. On this particular issue, McCain is ridiculously full of s--t, and crap like this makes me hate these self-serving asssholes even more.
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Post by DrumsGoBang on Sept 25, 2008 8:11:09 GMT -5
McCain isn't even on any finanace comittees. What is going to be doing here in DC that he can't do while campaigning?
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 25, 2008 9:14:03 GMT -5
I think that this gambit is looking more and more risky for McCain - all he has to do in DC is a meeting at 4 in with Bush. So he gets a photo-op with the guy Obama has been trying to tie him to. Obama will be there too and he can just say that the time for photo-ops and stunts is over - we need to fix this and talk to the American people - and Bush and McCain look bad.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 25, 2008 10:29:23 GMT -5
I think McCain made a good move in suspending his campaign so as to be present in the final discussions on the bailout package. If the debate has to wait a few days, big deal, as long as it is held. This is the most important piece of legislation likely to come across Congress in quite a while and both presidential nominees should be up to their necks in its deliberations.
On the subject of polls which I was called out on, I submit the polls are doing exactly what I predicted, namely the financial situation would result in Obama being way ahead and there was nothing McCain could do about it. Both the Rasmussen and Zogby polls are showing Obama up by about 3 and growing. Barring some bombshell, Obama is going to win handily.
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Post by Boz on Sept 25, 2008 11:16:08 GMT -5
This is exactly why anyone who wants to run for President should RESIGN FROM THE OFFICE THEY HOLD AT THE START OF THEIR CAMPAIGN. I agree with that completely. What's more, Joe Biden is up for re-election THIS YEAR, so not only is he not serving his constituents -- albeit for a much shorter time than the Presidential nominees, I grant that -- but the Republican nominee is Delaware is going to have no chance to debate her opponent prior to that election. That really doesn't seem fair. I don't harbor any illusions about a Republican's chances in Delaware, or against Joe Biden in Delaware, but she is the nominee. She should get a chance to debate him. I know Liebermann did the same thing in 2000. I'm sure someone can show me examples of Republicans doing the same, and if so, I think that stinks on their part too. EDIT: Man, Bill Clinton just can't help himself, can he?
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Post by Jack on Sept 25, 2008 12:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by Bando on Sept 25, 2008 12:34:39 GMT -5
This is exactly why anyone who wants to run for President should RESIGN FROM THE OFFICE THEY HOLD AT THE START OF THEIR CAMPAIGN. I agree with that completely. What's more, Joe Biden is up for re-election THIS YEAR, so not only is he not serving his constituents -- albeit for a much shorter time than the Presidential nominees, I grant that -- but the Republican nominee is Delaware is going to have no chance to debate her opponent prior to that election. That really doesn't seem fair. I don't harbor any illusions about a Republican's chances in Delaware, or against Joe Biden in Delaware, but she is the nominee. She should get a chance to debate him. I know Liebermann did the same thing in 2000. I'm sure someone can show me examples of Republicans doing the same, and if so, I think that stinks on their part too. EDIT: Man, Bill Clinton just can't help himself, can he? I gotta say, when Elvado said McCain's surest 2 votes were in Chappiqua, NY, I gotta say I dismissed that pretty out of hand. Lately, though, I'm starting to think he's got at least one definite vote there (Hillary, on the other hand, has been doing a fantastic job). Maybe Chris Rock should follow Bill Clinton wherever he goes for the rest of the campaign. I tend to agree with the Buff/Boz consensus that people should quit their current offices before running for president, especially since the Senate seats in Arizona, Illinois, and Delaware, and the governorship of Alaska are highly certain to stay in the same party's hands.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 25, 2008 12:52:35 GMT -5
Golly, the back-slapping among you liberal butt buddies is getting ridiculous. Oops, sorry .. let me rephrase that ... among you liberal pals is ridiculous.
If you think that going ahead with campainging and the debates and ignoring such an important discussion in Washington is a bad idea, then we agree to disagree. But the animosity which you exude over someone of an alternative opinion is downright embarrassing.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 25, 2008 12:53:21 GMT -5
Golly, the back-slapping among you liberal butt buddies is getting ridiculous. Oops, sorry .. let me rephrase that ... among you liberal pals is ridiculous. If you think that going ahead with campainging and the debates and ignoring such an important discussion in Washington is a bad idea, then we agree to disagree. But the animosity which you exude over someone of an alternative opinion is downright embarrassing. Go. Away.
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