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Post by RDF on Jan 12, 2009 15:32:08 GMT -5
Oregon State did it for ONE HALF Hifi--they scored 1 TD against SC in 2nd Half--and that came when they had ball on 2 yard line after Sanchez INT.
In my opinion--that is NOT running the ball for 4 quarters against someone.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 12, 2009 15:53:43 GMT -5
They might have only scored one TD in the second half, but they were running enough to win the field position battle. In fact, I saw virtually all of the second half after only sparse parts of the first half. Again, I'm not denying that USC was an excellent football team. I was just respondind to how you thought that UF was "bad" against the run against Oklahoma. I'll be honest when I tell you that the second quarter drive from the Sooners that tied the game at 7-7, had me worried a bit. As I said before, they had 3 straight runs on first down that gained first downs, totalling 48 yards altogether. Then they had a couple of relatively easy passes to get in range, and then on 2nd down, Bradford found Gresham in the back of the endzone. After that drive I thought the track meet might be officially on, but the defense stepped up after that and only allowed 7 more points the rest of the game. Here is an interesting link to the USC debate from our board: www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=92197As you will see, the first guy thinks that USC has no beef since it is their very own conference that is one of two big obstacles -- along with the Big 10 -- for a plus one. Although I would view that as an improvement, it doesn't really solve the problem, especially this year. If you had a "plus one" this year, who goes? Florida would certainly have to be there. I would think that Texas' showing wasn't impressive enough, so they would probably be on the outside looking in. USC has a decent argument, but I would probably have to give Utah the edge now that the bowls are over. In fairness, I doubt that Bama or Texas would have been as lethargic if the outcome of their games really meant something. Knowing how much you always point out how rarely Florida plays quality opponents outside of the Southeastern region, I wonder what you think of the guy who points out that USC's best win outside of LA was 17-10 against Arizona, and that they beat a whopping total of ZERO ranked opponents outside of LA. As he also points out, Florida beat 4 ranked opponents outside of Gainesville -- Georgia, FSU, Bama and Oklahoma.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 12, 2009 16:14:24 GMT -5
Buff, sorry about the long posts. They were primarily a factor of the fact that I didn't get back to a computer until Saturday afternoon, and then only for a short time. I was mostly responding to different comments that others had made since the game. Since then, it's mostly cordial discussions of the merits of a playoff system -- of which we are all in favor.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 12, 2009 19:29:45 GMT -5
I think there is merit to some of hifi's arguments (verbose though they may be), and I'm sure I would make them too if I were in his position. I'm willing to acknowledge that Florida has as much claim on a national championship this year as most national champions in other years (putting aside Texas when they beat USC, or the years when there is one clearly dominant team). That said, this season may have presented the best argument yet for a playoff, but unfortunately, we're just SELF-EDITEDING in the wind.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 13, 2009 1:01:29 GMT -5
rooter, by no means am I coming down on Florida. I like the Gators a lot, and think they are easily one of the three or so best teams in the land this year. I just don't think anyone can make an argument for them, USC, Utah or Texas that their team is the NATIONAL champion. There's just no way. Well, rather than extend this irreconcilable difference of opinion ... oh, wait a minute ... there isn't one. We all "agree" that the Gators are the owners of yet another Natty Tite! In all seriousness, I think that this year might scream for the "M" added in front of the "NC" more than almost any other ... even that year when Auburn was hosed. Still, I'm not going to send my crystal trophy back. And if the shoe was on the other foot, I doubt that Austin, RDF, Tiger or Buff (give Turner Gill time) would either. Hey, but look on the "BRIGHT" side ... Florida will be even better next year!!!!!!
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 13, 2009 7:04:05 GMT -5
please go away until september
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Post by hifigator on Jan 13, 2009 11:53:09 GMT -5
Fair enough, Buff. But like I said, I'm not giving the trophy back, and I ain't trading places with anyone else.
What do you think the Sooner fans would be saying had they won the game? For that matter, suppose, as many think should have happened, Texas had been in the game instead of Oklahoma. Would the winner of the game have anymore legitimate "claim" to titleship?
All I can say for sure, is that I didn't deny the title to LSU last year, or Florida the year before, or Texas, Ohio St., USC etc. Even when Auburn was snubbed, I couldn't offer much debate. Both of the other teams were undefeated and from power conferences as well and in that case, Auburn shot themselves in the foot with an abysmal out of conference schedule. They played La-Monroe/Lafayette (forget which), Middle Tennessee State and Troy if I remember correctly. And that was before Troy was even decent.
In any case, I will gladly accept the crystal trophy!
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Post by hifigator on Jan 13, 2009 13:49:29 GMT -5
Here are the final power rankings as rated by College Football News: msn.foxsports.com/cfb/powerRankings?MSNHPHMAI think that it's strange that Boise St. is still so highly ranked. Also, Pitt seems to be a bit high to me. The biggest gainer in the Bowl season was TCU, gaining 6 spots. While the biggest drop came to Cincinnati, dropping a whopping 10 spots after their loss to V. Tech in the Orange Bowl.
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Post by RDF on Jan 13, 2009 14:48:41 GMT -5
Okay--we've brought this up about a MILLION FRIGGIN TIMES and you were warned repeatedly Hifi---anyone who uses "I" as if you were a part of that team is BANNED from this site/board. You want to talk CBB/Hoya Basketball--cool--but you are now banned from posting on this site for repeated offenses. Honestly--how many times have you said you would adjust to the rule? So you now have to man up and follow through with your punishment and make the sacrifice that would only been seen as just in the eyes of the immortal--and no--I'm not talking about Tebow.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 13, 2009 14:55:31 GMT -5
RDF, "I" am a Gator -- always have been, always will be. I am a fan of Georgetown -- have been since I was about 14 and likely will continue to be. But I was born in Gainesville, sold cokes in the stadium for three years when I was a kid, went to the University, graduated with high honors and met my wife of over 19 years there. If you don't wish to tie yourself that closely to your school, whether that is Miami, that you pull for in college football, Georgetown, that you pull for in college basketball or the Vikings, that I presume is the closest NFL team to where you live, is up to you.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 13, 2009 16:34:03 GMT -5
Buff, I stayed two summers in Arlington when I was 14 and 15. That's when I started following them. My Uncle went there and he was a big fan. Then through the 80's the Gator hoops team didn't really give me much to cheer about. That's another reason I hate Syracuse so much. Not only are they the arch rival of GU, but once the Gators finally did something (Sweet 16 in 1987 I think), we ran into Rony Seikaly (sp?) and he ended our season. Then about 4 years later, a very long road trip to Syracuse to watch a football game in the Carrier Dome ended in bitter disappointment. Kirby Dardar returned the opening kickoff; Shane Matthews threw a couple of first half picks and we never recovered. In any case, nothing has changed from day one.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 13, 2009 16:40:58 GMT -5
I just want to know if I can come over to hifi's house and touch the trophy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2009 16:52:17 GMT -5
I just want to know if I can come over to hifi's house and touch the trophy. I hear "touching the trophy" is one of Eddy Curry's favorite phrases these days ;D
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Post by RDF on Jan 13, 2009 23:45:09 GMT -5
We are all FANS of the teams we love/support--but you are the only hillbilly who acts as if you are part of the team "WE didn't play well" or "I will gladly accept the trophy"--what the hell did you do--suck Tebow's footBALLS? I mean it's ridiculous. I understand you are a Gator fan and have simply asked for this from you--which you have said you would adhere to at LEAST 10 times since you've posted--and now this garbage? Pathetic.
See you over on mainboard for basketball talk as you are DONE here.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 13, 2009 23:49:26 GMT -5
Now, in no particular order ... Nevada wrote: hifi, congratulations on being #2 in the nation. hifi, congratulations on being #1 in the nation!There, I fixed it for you. Kidding aside, you know that I am a playoff guy as well, but in all seriousness, do you really think that Utah should have been #1 since they went undefeated? I think they are a quality team, but I just don't think that the overall strength of their conference allows them to be ahead of a one-loss team playing a much tougher schedule. I know they have quality wins over TCU, BYU, Oregon St and Bama. They showed up this year to play while Hawaii didn't last year. Either way, it's a question that can never be answered. Hat's off to the Utes for a great season, but in my very subjective opinion, they would have little to no chance against the Gators for the Championship. For what it is worth, VegasInsider, which is often viewed as the most accurate predictor was listing Florida as a 14 point favorite in a hypothetical matchup against Utah. They also had Florida as a 5 point favorite in a hypothetical matchup with USC. 1. The only undefeated team in the nation (13-0). 2. No. 2 AP and No. 4 USA Today rankings are both the best in school history. 3. 3-0 against teams from automatic qualifying BCS schools (Michigan, Oregon State, Alabama). 4. 4-0 against the Top-25 (Alabama, TCU, Oregon State, Brigham Young). 5. In their fifth game against a FBS opponent, the Utes beat the only team (Oregon State) to beat USC. 6. 6-0 against bowl teams. 7. Utah scored 21 points in a seven-minute span against Alabama. 8. Eight straight bowl wins is the longest current bowl streak in the nation. Included are wins over USC, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech and Alabama. 9. Nine tackles for loss (including eight sacks) against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. 10. In 10 games against the Pac 10 and SEC combined, Mountain West Conference teams were 8-2. 11. 11 Utah first or second-team all-league selections (8 first team, 3 second team). 12. Utah is 12-3 in the last 15 games against automatic BCS qualifiers. 13. 13 wins is a new school record. 14. 14 straight wins is the longest current win streak in the nation.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 19, 2009 12:52:13 GMT -5
Nevada, congrats to Utah. They are the only team that I think should have a gripe in their own mind over who is Champion. That being said, the parameters are established before the season and everyone is in the same situation. Having said that, I know that essentially means that you are boxed out of the title game if two teams such as Florida and Oklahoma finish with only a single loss. But in at least one since, it is a bit tough to blame the system. At least one element of the system worked in your favor, even though many would question its accuracy. For the computer element of the BCS formula, Sagarin uses the Elo-Chess ratings. As discussed all season, this is the least accurate of the Sagarin formulas. In Jeff Sagarin's mind -- and he developed the formulas that we are praising in the first place, the Elo-Chess -- which takes into account solely whether you win or lose the game -- is inferior to the Pure-Points/Predictor -- which factors in many more elements, primarily margin of victory. The point is that in the ratings used for BCS rankings, Utah finished #1. But in the "most accurate" rankings, Florida was #1. More importantly, Utah was all the way down at #10. www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htmOne other point of interest: after this year of ups and downs and arguments over which is the best conference, the SEC once again came out on top, at least in Jeff Sagarin's mind. The Big 12 was next, but somewhat surprisingly, the much-maligned ACC finished 3rd as a conference ahead of the Pac 10. In any case, it was a fun season and it's quite a long way until September.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 21, 2009 12:48:00 GMT -5
Miami loses their DC to Oklahoma State and are now without an OC or DC. Shannon has to get this right or else this could be the end of Miami for the foreseeable future. This sucks.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 28, 2009 16:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 16:57:30 GMT -5
Season's over. Lock it up.
(They HAVE played the International Bowl, right?)
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Post by hifigator on Jan 29, 2009 15:03:39 GMT -5
Yes, they did. And if I remember correctly, that was the game that The Tulsa Golden Hurricane beat Ball St. Significance? ... I finally won our bowl pool down here because of that game. Finished 20-6, with several others tied at 18-8. But If Tulsa loses, one of those guys finishes tied with me and would have beated me on the tiebreaker. THANK YOU GOLDEN HURRICANES!
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