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Post by hifigator on Jan 7, 2009 11:22:11 GMT -5
I can't deny that Texas had about as good of an argument to be in the Title game as any team in recent memory. Miami had a beef in 2000 and of course Auburn had a legitimate gripe when they were undefeated but didn't get a shot. I think Texas' slight is of that same magnitude. That being said, it's also hard to deny Oklahoma. Let's be honest. More emphasis is placed on how you are playing at the end of the season, rightly or wrongly. Texas lost later than OU and was not as impressive down the stretch as the Sooners were. I don't have a dog in the fight, so I can be honest in my views. But you oversimplify the issue when you relegate it entirely to "Texas beat Oklahoma." If there were only those two teams, then that argument is sound. But since Texas Tech also had the exact same conference and division records, as well as the same 1-1 record among the three teams, then you have to look at something else. Is the "highest BCS ranking" the best option? Who knows, but I expect that the conferences chose that to give the conference the best chance at having a team in the title game. Again, it just isn't that simple of an issue. If Texas was playing for the title, then the Red Raiders could say, "but we had the exact same record and we beat them."
As for the Texas-OSU game, I don't think that Texas played that poorly. I think that Ohio State finally showed up for a big game for a chance. Granted, I did fall asleep during halftime and missed all of the third quarter and part of the fourth. But still, from what I saw, it wasn't a matter of Texas not playing well, at least from my perspective.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 7, 2009 13:01:30 GMT -5
Texas's loss to Tech was on a semi-prayer on the last play of the game on the road. No major conference team, including Florida, came as close to being unbeaten as Texas. They beat Oklahoma convincingly. Their defense was clearly better than Oklahoma's. There's much more to this than just Texas beat Oklahoma. And I also don't have a vested interest in which teams are in the game - in fact, growing up, I was a big fan of Oklahoma. Just calling it as I see it.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 7, 2009 14:52:19 GMT -5
rooter, I wouldn't argue with you. I said that I think Texas has a serious beef. I just don't think it's the slam dunk that some suggest. Oklahoma flat out rolled teams. Now it's my contention that that was because the Big 12 defenses suck eggs. But still, we can only go by what we saw on the field. Also, everyone acts like that Crabtree touchdown was some kind of miracle play. It was certainly a great play by a great player. But they only needed a field goal to win. So in all likelihood, if he is just pushed out of bounds at the 5 yard line instead of breaking the tackle for the TD, then they only win by one or two ... but they still win. Sure, it was a close game, but to think of it as anything miraculous is a stretch. It wasn't the stanford-Cal band play. It wasn't Doug Flutie against Miami and it wasn't LSU with that tip drill touchdown on the last play. It was perfectly executed 2 minute drill, but with only som 50 seconds to play. And if you are talking about being 'almost' undefeated, you would have to consider Florida. Florida lost due to a blocked extra point where the Rebels cheated. Still, Florida was a 50 yard field goal from winning the game anyway. For some reason, Urban Meyer didn't have confidence and decided to go for the 4th and 3. Bad decision. Still, that was incredibly close.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 7, 2009 15:10:42 GMT -5
And incidentally, you could certainly put the game winning touchdown against Ohio State as somewhat of a miracle as well. They were down 4, so a fieldgoal did them no good. The caught a break by having the right play for the right situation and when he cleared the safety, the game was all over. Still, scoring with about 20 seconds left in that situation is pretty hairy.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 7, 2009 21:00:57 GMT -5
hifi, I think you're wrong about Texas/Tech. Didn't Tech win 31-30? I think they had to have a touchdown to win.
I agree with you that Florida was very close to being undefeated - just not as close as Texas. Also don't recall how Mississippi "cheated," although I'm sure that was addressed back around page 10 of this thread.
And by the way, I don't think Texas would beat Florida, either. I'd just rather be seeing that game than the one we got.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 8, 2009 7:14:38 GMT -5
the rebels cheated? are you serious? 8 posts ago you got all over osu for lame excuses and now you're throwing out this? please. you sound like your coach.
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Post by RDF on Jan 8, 2009 14:18:14 GMT -5
Yeah--and if Kevin Thomas of USC catches the ball for the INT that deflected off his hands into James Rodgers hands in endzone for a TD--USC is undefeated too. You can play the "what if?" game for every team that has one loss--which is why it's impossible to judge who the best team in country is under the current format. At the time--everyone--myself included thought the loss to Oregon State was closer to Stanford a year ago-which legitimately knocked USC out of title race--and it ended up OSU was a 9-4 team, that won their bowl game. Not a bad season at all-especially when you consider their losses were to BCS teams--Penn State and Utah (both on road), and to Oregon and Stanford. Yet the perception was that USC lost to some "crappy" team like they did at home against Stanford and they were punished for that loss all year. So see how their argument starts to stack up as well as the others made above.
GIVE US A PLAYOFF--of any kind ASAP!!!
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Post by Jack on Jan 8, 2009 14:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 8, 2009 15:56:11 GMT -5
I want to take this opportunity to congratulate the Utah Utes, the 2008 College Football champions. Apparently Rick Reilly concurs. sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3815656I will not go out of my way to watch an irrevelant football game tonight, the winner of which apparently receives an irrelevant trophy. Congratulations to Florida and Oklahoma, they have had great seasons to get to this point. However, no matter who wins, there is only one undefeated team left in college football, and that is the Utah Utes. They deserve it more than anyone else. How would people feel about organizing a massive boycott of this thing, to lower ratings and essentially coerce the NCAA into developing some semblance of a playoff system? Because frankly, I don't have any real interest in watching tonight's game. It's meaningless to me.
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Post by mchoya on Jan 8, 2009 17:37:22 GMT -5
1 - Oklahoma 8 - Penn State 3 - USC 6 - Utah 4 - Texas 5 - Alabama 2 - Florida 7 - Texas Tech Or some variation thereof. Screw automatic bids for underachieving conferences. Boise State, Ohio State, TCU and Cincy upset at the end of the year? Tough. Go hang out with those March Madness bubble teams that didn't get in. Then let's get rid of half of the schools in the NCAA basketball tourney. If you win your conference in Division I, you have the right to play for the Division I national championship. 16 team tourney, 1 auto-bid for each conference, 5 at-large bids, no more than 3 teams per conference. In your system, you deny an undefeated, conference champion BSU team (before San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl) a spot in a playoff so a 1-loss (before bowl) non-conference champion like Alabama or Texas Tech can get a spot. That seems unreasonable.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 9, 2009 0:19:10 GMT -5
Well, that was anticlimactic.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 9, 2009 0:26:16 GMT -5
i dont know what it is...but this years game just didnt seem like the national championship game
maybe it was the fact that i was switching between that and smokey and the bandit
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Post by RDF on Jan 9, 2009 0:30:46 GMT -5
Mediocre game--but hard played. Knew those missed opportunities were going to haunt Oklahoma in First half--but they played much closer then I expected and showed more heart/competitiveness then their last trip to Miami with what I felt was a more talented team.
BTW, FOX, we get it--Tebow is a great kid and college player. I'm watching the game--not worrying about what others say about him. Geez. This propoganda makes Hansbrough look underpublicized.
OU has lost their last 5 BCS games. Big XII South lays a major egg in bowls. The "high powered" offenses stunk against superior athletes and only Texas--who was the BEST TEAM IN LEAGUE won their bowl game--albeit against a very average Ohio State team.
I'm for UTAH getting AP vote---and just wish there was a better way to decide the sport we all love--but so be it.
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Post by hoya95 on Jan 9, 2009 0:42:20 GMT -5
It was a close game, but I didn't think it was a very good one. Sloppy at best. Florida is the better team, and Oklahoma's defense was bound to wear down. So it just took longer to reach the inevitable. I know it's almost a cliche to bash announcers, but that was the absolute worst job I've ever heard. Did Brennaman propose to Tim Tebow yet? Does anyone in the booth know what down it is? Truly horrible. Can I buy my Utah 2009 National Champions t-shirt online somewhere?
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Post by RDF on Jan 9, 2009 2:17:48 GMT -5
It was a close game, but I didn't think it was a very good one. Sloppy at best. Florida is the better team, and Oklahoma's defense was bound to wear down. So it just took longer to reach the inevitable. I know it's almost a cliche to bash announcers, but that was the absolute worst job I've ever heard. Did Brennaman propose to Tim Tebow yet? Does anyone in the booth know what down it is? Truly horrible. Can I buy my Utah 2009 National Champions t-shirt online somewhere? ;D at your comment on announcers and Brennaman is an embarrassment to this sport. Get someone in the booth who does the games all year and distance yourself from the damn NFL. CFB fans dont' want their sport or their game looking, sounding, or covered as if it's the NFL. OU defense gave up their average today--and I thought that was impressive showing for Venables in a big game.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 9, 2009 7:13:22 GMT -5
congrats to florida. with tebow and that defense back, we'll be saying the same thing next year. for me, the game was over in the first half when OU got a big fat zero from two second quarter drives inside the florida 10. tebow's mistakes early gave them a chance to take control and they failed miserably. it was only a matter of time before the florida offense woke up.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 9, 2009 9:38:08 GMT -5
BTW, FOX, we get it--Tebow is a great kid and college player. I'm watching the game--not worrying about what others say about him. Geez. This propoganda makes Hansbrough look underpublicized. Man, do I agree with this! It was nauseating. I kept waiting for "Tim Tebow! What a player! What a man!"
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 9, 2009 9:51:57 GMT -5
Florida #1 in AP, Utah #2, followed by USC and Texas. Utah did receive 16 first place votes, to Florida's 48. USC got one. sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3820715sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindexI did not watch the game, only saw and heard brief parts of the first half while having dinner at Tombs. I wonder what the ratings will look like for this game. With the BCS controversy and general under-hype for this game, I imagine the numbers will be lower than recent years. Which would be fantastic, and put more pressure on the BCS to develop a playoff system.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 9, 2009 12:42:21 GMT -5
The better team won, but Oklahoma kept it closer than I expected, which actually made the game better than I expected. I was figuring the game would be over by halftime, and Florida didn't wrap it up until the last few minutes, so kudos to the Oklahoma defense for keeping it close.
I watched most of the first half on my computer at work through the Foxsports feed, which was a somewhat disorienting experience. There was no sound except crowd noise, so since I was occasionally forced to glance away to attend to other things, I couldn't keep track of the downs, yardage to go, etc. But it still beat not being able to see the game at all, and based on the comments above on the announcers, it probably beat watching the game on Fox.
Put an asterisk by Oklahoma's pont scoring record this year, with the note "accomplished solely against second rate defenses (except TCU)."
And of course, I share everyone's view on the need for a playoff.
I'm surprised hifi hasn't posted yet. He must be lying drunk in a ditch somewhere.
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Post by Filo on Jan 9, 2009 12:52:39 GMT -5
Yeah, no surprise with the outcome. UF's D is pretty young, and they are going to be very tough next year, also.
I still can't believe that the announcing team for such a big game was so horrible. Is it just me, or was that very first hit by Wright along the sidelines pass interference? He nailed the guy before the ball made it to him, but the announcers didn't even mention that it was questionable. Then they had the '4th down when it was only the third down' fiasco. Given that, once their Hansborough treatment of Tebow started in earnest, I just couldn't listen anymore.
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