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Post by Hoya TMF on Jul 18, 2008 8:46:49 GMT -5
I lean toward the JWall three. The biggest game of the last 20 years (outside of the OSU game), and that shot was just HUGE. No other word for it. I'd throw in a dark horse candidate - a play that didn't really involve a GU guy. The Paulus fumble at the end of the Duke game was huge for our program. There was no opportunity to tie/win there because of it. And, the Duke game put our program on the map again such that we were no longer a "good school" with success in niche, non-power sports like we had been at least through the Esherick Error. Maybe we should separate the pre and post National Title eras. It's kind of hard to argue that the play against SMU was not the most important since it made EVERYTHING else possible. Still looking at the post title era, I'm going with the Paulus fumble, with Brandon diving on the ball and clutching it for dear life. Lots of schools have a National Title on their resume and even a good run on their resume. Obviously you can't discount Georgetown's dominance in the 80's and early 90's, but that win against Duke signalled that our PROGRAM was back. And that JTIII might be able to hang another banner or two before his time was done here. We back that up with a Final Four the next year, but that Duke game got the ball rolling.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 18, 2008 9:38:51 GMT -5
ya know too many good ones to get into the best too many GREAT hoya plays by great hoyas yup no contest just ALOT OF EM FOLKS AND THATS KINDA SPECIAL YUP
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Post by Boz on Jul 18, 2008 13:17:05 GMT -5
1. Smitty coast to coast against Syracuse 1a. AI coast to coast against UConn 1b. Zo's reverse dunk against Syracuse in the BET
OK, maybe not the most important, but three of my favorites.
It's hard to argue against the 3 from #2 though.
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Post by aggypryd on Jul 18, 2008 13:27:13 GMT -5
I don't know if this is the most important...maybe the most disappointing...
In 1990, Sam Jefferson fouling Billy Owens in the closing seconds, 70 feet from the basket, with a 2 point lead. Billy Owens hits the Free Throws and sends the game into OT. The Cuse pull out the win in the Carrier Dome.
No matter how many wins we get against the 'Cuse, it just doesn't seem to make up for that game.
Hence, my brother and I have labeled any player that makes a bone-head play "Sam Jefferson"...
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jul 18, 2008 13:33:11 GMT -5
Hence, my brother and I have labeled any player that makes a bone-head play "Sam Jefferson"... I think it is safe to now call it the Corey Stokes
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Post by RDF on Jul 18, 2008 13:54:34 GMT -5
Most important play---is Ewing's tip against SMU as many have said--title doesn't happen without that play.
Current history--I'd say the Wallace 3 to tie Elite 8 game, then beneath it--the Don Reid airball putback to get Hoyas back to Sweet 16 for first time since '89.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 18, 2008 14:10:12 GMT -5
Most important play---is Ewing's tip against SMU as many have said--title doesn't happen without that play. Current history--I'd say the Wallace 3 to tie Elite 8 game, then beneath it--the Don Reid airball putback to get Hoyas back to Sweet 16 for first time since '89. Fair enough RDF, but let me add one thing. The Don Reid play got us back, but subsequent events in Hoya Basketball did not really build on that. As for Wallace's Trey, it got JT3 to his first Final Four, and it culminated the build from NIT -Sweet Sixteen - Final Four. We know the historical context of the Don Reid play. We don't yet know it for the Wallace play. That will become apparent over the next 5-10 years. The relative "importance" of the two plays will be influenced by subsequent events. My guess (and hope) is we will one day look back on the Wallace play and say "that was the shot that got JT3 and into his very first of his numerous Final Fours.... you know, the one when he didn't win the National Championship" Or we may look back on it and say, "Remember when Jon Wallace was best known for that great shot he made for Georgetown back in the day? Who knew then (other than Roy, JT3, Jeff and Hoya Talk members) that he would go on to become the President of the United States!"
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Post by RDF on Jul 18, 2008 15:48:01 GMT -5
Hey--after years of 1 and out--I'll take Reid's shot--considering it was in NCAA tournament and following year team returned to Elite 8.
Really the Reid shot isn't given it's due simply because of what followed--which was mass exodus yearly, bad recruiting, or Pops leaving--with Esh Era about to begin.
After going 1 and done in NCAA's from '90-94--(with NIT mixed in)--it was nice to get back to NCAA's and win 2 games--seeing Pops run off the floor with a little "dance" also showed importance to me--but I completely understand what you are saying, and as I said--it's well beneath Wallace's 3 against UNC.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 18, 2008 15:52:28 GMT -5
It's not nearly the most important play in Hoya History (excepting the National Title games, it needs to be the play DFW mentioned, doesn't it), but I think one of the bigger non-tournament plays in JTIII history is Ashanti Cook's shot against Pitt. It was III's first big win and likely helped both the players buy into his system and on the recruiting front.
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 18, 2008 15:55:23 GMT -5
Post-SMU, I have to go with the Hibbert dunk at the buzzer against Notre Dame in III's first season. Georgetown had become FAMOUS for losing close games at the buzzer, and, in a game against a legit team that was undefeated at the Phone Booth, knocked them down.
You can argue that Georgetown would have broken through eventually (and the Duke game was one in a million), but this began to usher in a new era of Hoyas basketball.
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Post by vcjack on Jul 18, 2008 16:56:16 GMT -5
Bryon Jansen's bank shot buzzer beater @ MSG against SJU
And at #2 Omar's 3 to hit 100 against whateverthehellthatteamwas U
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Post by jgalt on Jul 18, 2008 17:01:08 GMT -5
to be really lame in a little league coach sort of way and say, every play is the most important.
JTIII would probably say something like, "the next one" or something
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 18, 2008 20:50:50 GMT -5
hmm coach the next one hmm pretty good coach pretty good hmmm ;D
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Jul 21, 2008 11:37:27 GMT -5
Coach Esh being asked to move on.
SirSaxa had it right, if we're talking history up until this point it has to be somethig leading to the national championship, that being the pinnacle of Georgetown basketball. But I'm hopefull in ten years we'll have 3-4 national champioships to look back on and we'll point to the Esh firing/JTIII hiring as the most significant play.
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 21, 2008 11:53:02 GMT -5
It's not nearly the most important play in Hoya History (excepting the National Title games, it needs to be the play DFW mentioned, doesn't it), but I think one of the bigger non-tournament plays in JTIII history is Ashanti Cook's shot against Pitt. It was III's first big win and likely helped both the players buy into his system and on the recruiting front. Bowman hit the shot to go ahead, not Ashanti, though Ashanti hit a free throw to push the lead to 3 points (then, foreshadowing the end of the Duke game, missed the second FT, and the ball was then tied up at half court as time expired) sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=250050221
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 21, 2008 12:31:57 GMT -5
Huh. I guess I just inserted Ashanti in there because he had a ridiculous game.
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Post by idhoya on Jul 21, 2008 13:45:14 GMT -5
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Jul 21, 2008 16:38:05 GMT -5
For all the talk about the Duke game, I don't think anything that happened there was nearly as crucial as Owen's missed 3 against Florida. If that falls who's to say that team doesn't go all the way.
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Post by swhoya on Jul 21, 2008 17:35:12 GMT -5
Being a little kid in the 80s, I can't really talk about any of those. I guess you could say the Fred Brown pass, but there's so many what-if's there--if we won that game, then so what? Maybe nothing would have changed but for that one year.
Same thing with the game against Florida. Maybe we go all the way that year, maybe not.
So I have to go with JWall's shot. Putting us back in the Final 4 really said something, as opposed to not knowing what would happen if this shot or that shot had gone in. The win against Duke was awesome, no doubt, but I wouldn't trade 100 of those wins for a single final 4. With that one shot, everyone was talking about Georgetown again.
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Post by kghoya on Jul 21, 2008 19:28:10 GMT -5
For all the talk about the Duke game, I don't think anything that happened there was nearly as crucial as Owen's missed 3 against Florida. If that falls who's to say that team doesn't go all the way. did you really have to make me think of that today? what a nightmare how about that crazy and 1 basket the gators got after it looked like bowman had forced a jump ball? that was fun wasnt it?
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