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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 12:16:05 GMT -5
Forgive me if this name has been bantered about, but I read in the recruiting tables above that Ryan Kelly is a 3 star recruit. However, Rivals writes that he is a 5 star and has been offered by us and is considering accepting. North Carolina and NC state have also offered so he must be pretty good. he is 6'9". Anyone know more about him??
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Post by GUMBA on Jul 15, 2008 12:59:07 GMT -5
From what I've read Ryan Kelly is widely considered to be a top recruit. He is listed at 6'9" 200+ pounds. He has a high GPA and comes from a baskeball family as his father played in college at Yale as well as professionally in Europe. He lists UVA, Wake, Stanford, Vanderbilt, ND, NC State, Davidson and Georgetown as schools he is considering. He is now playing on the USA Basketball U18 team coached by Davidson's head coach Bob McKillop and JTIII. Scout also has him as a five star and in their top 25.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jul 15, 2008 13:29:01 GMT -5
Kelly is solid. Would fill in the DaJuan role nicely if DaJuan makes the jump. That is still tbd.
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Post by FewFAC on Jul 15, 2008 15:11:38 GMT -5
NC State?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 15, 2008 15:15:13 GMT -5
UPDATE (7/16/08):
2009 table with updated with current Scout/Rivals rankings.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jul 16, 2008 13:18:41 GMT -5
Looking at the table, it looks like Kelly, Vinson, and Spurlock are the guys with offers that are still uncommitted. It sounds like we're recruiting Cheek pretty strongly as well. If we could get any of them, which one would we most want?
Looking at the depth chart for their incoming year, it seems like we have enough big guys with Monroe, Sims, Vaughn, and Riley, plus Summers sometimes at the 4. We seem to have enough that can play the 3 with Hollis, Summers sometimes, and Freeman sometimes. But it seems like with the loss of Sapp we will be a little thin at the guards with Wright, Freeman, and Clark. I realize that Wattad and Mescheriakov have not been included in this, but i figure at best they are 10 minute players, which isn't what we are talking about. If anything it means more depth at the 3 and a little more at the 2.
Would that mean that Cheek is our primary interest for this class as a guard? Or are we just really looking for the best value and figuring the strong class of 2010 will fill in need at the guard? If DaJuan leaves, does that make Kelly more of a priority? It seems like Hollis may have to step in and start right away if DaJuan leaves, unless we are going to start Wright, Clark, and Freeman, which would spread the minutes at guard even more thin. Lots of speculation I realize. But I'm just curious if our recruiting gurus (or anyone else) has an idea of who we might be most targeting or what our supposed needs are.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jul 16, 2008 13:49:19 GMT -5
Id say either Kelly or Spurlock at this point, only because most projections seem to think DaJuan is gone (although i have my doubts still). Cheek has liked G-town for a while, and he is a talent, I just don't know if he gets the run right away barring a transfer from one of our 3 year reserves. (I'm not ready to throw Wattad and Nikita into the 10min/game guy category just yet, especially once they have 2 years of experience in the system under the belt).
Its hard to tell, but its gonna come down to which recruit is more patient i think. Guys that wanna commit in the fall may not have a clear idea of what our situation is gonna be like (because too much still TBD (Dajuan leaving, will someone transfer? etc.). So the recruit may not wanna commit with the uncertainty.
We'll see.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 16, 2008 13:54:34 GMT -5
Does everyone really think DaJuan is leaving? Unless he really picks up his game this year -- which would be awesome -- I don't see a compelling reason for him to be entering the draft. Based on what he did his first two years, DS has tons of potential, and a lot of work left to do.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jul 16, 2008 13:56:59 GMT -5
Based on what he did his first two years, DS has tons of potential, and a lot of work left to do. Do you not think that "tons of potential" isn't the primary standard of measuring an NBA prospect's worth? Whether or not DaJuan makes the leap this year, if NBA mgmt believe that he has all the raw tools, he will still likely jump.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jul 16, 2008 13:57:41 GMT -5
I agree SirSaxa, but the experts seem to think he will be out at years end. Hard to argue with because folks believe he will be our primary offensive threat, and each of the last two years that guy has been a first rounder. Plus I find it hard to believe that, barring injury, Dajuan won't get the looks he needs to be THE MAN, in our system. D Summers is nice as heck, and I know its not evident from the last two seasons but he CAN be that guy in our system, he just has to tap into it.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 16, 2008 14:02:11 GMT -5
Based on what he did his first two years, DS has tons of potential, and a lot of work left to do. Do you not think that "tons of potential" isn't the primary standard of measuring an NBA prospect's worth? Whether or not DaJuan makes the leap this year, if NBA mgmt believe that he has all the raw tools, he will still likely jump. Well, that's a good point. Looks at Donte Green. But it seems as those the NBA types look scepticaly at college players who stay longer in college and still don't deliver numbers. OK, Jeff Green was the rare exception who displayed a remarkably well-rounded and intelligent game to go along with athleticism. Did DaJuan show up on any mock drafts a few months back as a first rounder? Was there a lot of talk that he should enter the draft last month? Are scouts looking at him the way they looked at aforementioned D. Green? Do you see enough in his game so far to warrant a first round pick?
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Post by kellycpcm on Jul 16, 2008 14:06:00 GMT -5
Here are the comments from the PeachJam monday highlights about what Ryan brings to the table: "It is amazing to watch the South Carolina Ravens without Ryan Kelly. The 6-foot-9 five-star forward is in Argentina with Team USA. Without him, the Ravens (and particularly John Wall) play a more chaotic style of play. Kelly is a calming force for the team (and, again, mostly Wall). Kelly scored 12 points and grabbed a team high 10 rebounds in a win over Venezuela."
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jul 16, 2008 14:23:40 GMT -5
league scouts say he is a "first round caliber talent".... whatever that means.
Mixed reviews from guys at the LJ camp.
I've seen enough in his game in practices and other encounters NOT during hte season to know that he has the complete game, but he's been complacent in settling for perimeter jumpers. He needs to show that he can (and yes he can) get to the rim from the 3 point line in ONE DRIBBLE and finish with a flush. He needs to show that he can bring the EFFORT on both ends CONSISTENTLY. there is no doubt in my mind (and in the mind of many scouts that i talk to) that he has the TALENT (ala D. Green).... but does he have the PASSION and EFFORT to succeed... (that is what he'll have to prove this year).
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 16, 2008 14:41:36 GMT -5
league scouts say he is a "first round caliber talent".... whatever that means. Mixed reviews from guys at the LJ camp. I've seen enough in his game in practices and other encounters NOT during hte season to know that he has the complete game, but he's been complacent in settling for perimeter jumpers. He needs to show that he can (and yes he can) get to the rim from the 3 point line in ONE DRIBBLE and finish with a flush. He needs to show that he can bring the EFFORT on both ends CONSISTENTLY. there is no doubt in my mind (and in the mind of many scouts that i talk to) that he has the TALENT (ala D. Green).... but does he have the PASSION and EFFORT to succeed... (that is what he'll have to prove this year). I think you and I and everyone on this board would be delighted to see DaJuan PROVE it! He has certainly shown flashes. Maybe a little more maturity and the graduation of the older guys will open the way for DaJuan to play a leadership role and show what he can do.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 16, 2008 14:43:15 GMT -5
league scouts say he is a "first round caliber talent".... whatever that means. Mixed reviews from guys at the LJ camp. I've seen enough in his game in practices and other encounters NOT during hte season to know that he has the complete game, but he's been complacent in settling for perimeter jumpers. He needs to show that he can (and yes he can) get to the rim from the 3 point line in ONE DRIBBLE and finish with a flush. He needs to show that he can bring the EFFORT on both ends CONSISTENTLY. there is no doubt in my mind (and in the mind of many scouts that i talk to) that he has the TALENT (ala D. Green).... but does he have the PASSION and EFFORT to succeed... (that is what he'll have to prove this year). Who are you talking about (and who is D. Green)?
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Post by Boz on Jul 16, 2008 15:02:47 GMT -5
Danger! Danger! Collision Alert!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot: The "Is Summers Ready?" and "Ryan Kelly" threads are on an imminent collision path. Please avert course headings.
TOO LATE!
Wave off!! ...EJECT, EJECT, EJECT!
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Post by prhoya on Jul 16, 2008 16:20:12 GMT -5
I agree with Saxa. He needs to show his all-around game, including making dunks. If he does, we're at least good for final 8.
Besides, I wouldn't mind a senior DS to an unproven freshman, plus his scholarship going to one of the targeted 2010s.
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Post by nathanhm on Jul 16, 2008 16:38:18 GMT -5
Danger! Danger! Collision Alert! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot: The "Is Summers Ready?" and "Ryan Kelly" threads are on an imminent collision path. Please avert course headings. TOO LATE! Wave off!! ...EJECT, EJECT, EJECT! LMAO.....I'm glad I'm not only one who wondered how on earth the Ryan Kelly thread starred DaJuan Summers.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 16, 2008 19:09:34 GMT -5
Looking at the depth chart for their incoming year, it seems like we have enough big guys with Monroe, Sims, Vaughn, and Riley, plus Summers sometimes at the 4. We seem to have enough that can play the 3 with Hollis, Summers sometimes, and Freeman sometimes. But it seems like with the loss of Sapp we will be a little thin at the guards with Wright, Freeman, and Clark. I realize that Wattad and Mescheriakov have not been included in this, but i figure at best they are 10 minute players, which isn't what we are talking about. If anything it means more depth at the 3 and a little more at the 2. Would that mean that Cheek is our primary interest for this class as a guard? If only Georgetown recruiting was so logical... Re: Cheek, I think he is somebody who, like Lance Stephenson, Samardo Samuels and many others before, we should not get our hopes too high for. As a player he is excellent and would be a great fit for us. But I don't see us being huge players in his recruitment. Call that a hunch. He has said some nice things about JTIII in articles lately and now all of a sudden all the Hoya fans are talking about him, but if you read other interviews on him, he has nice things to say about other places too. He just knows what to say to the media. As much as I'd like him to be a Hoya, I think the chances of it happening are slim. If I were coaching I'd make Ryan Kelly my one and only priority in 2009. Unlike RDF, I've given up hope on Hairston. I know he continues to mention us and of course there's a chance he changes his mind so I'd keep recruiting him. But I think his heart is elsewhere now and I wouldn't want to miss out on Kelly too. I personally would pass on the Montrose cats as well, since we've already got a long, skilled wing in Hollis and since I think as of right now Georgetown is recruiting well enough to land a player of Vinson/Spurlock's level any year--put another way, we can afford to gamble for a better player (R. Smith) in 2010, and if it doesn't work we'll still get a wing player of comparable ability to Vinson or Spurlock (that is, a top 100 small forward). That said, I think the staff is going to try to land one of those two. I think the next commit you'll see happen for Georgetown will be either Vinson or Spurlock, and once one of them picks us the other will look elsewhere. I think Hairston is going to announce for somebody else, and we'll make Ryan Kelly's Final 5 and maybe have him back again for Midnight Madness in the fall. Not sure how that will end up but I think we've got a good shot at him. And if DaJuan goes pro (and put me on the list of people who are skeptical about that).... I think we'll start Wright, Clark, Freeman, Monroe and Sims. We won't really have any guard depth, but Freeman will move to off guard while Wright/Clark plays point, and Hollis/Nikita will hold down the 3 spot. Hollis can also play guard in a pinch.
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Post by NorthCarolinaHOYA on Jul 16, 2008 19:41:40 GMT -5
RBHOYA,
You, RDF and other members on this board seem to know a lot about recruiting and respect that and enjoy reading your posts. Can you or anyone tell me why Gtown can not land the player like Lance Stephenson and others. Its it because Gtown doesn't play the type of recruiting games that other programs will do?
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