SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 23, 2008 10:12:38 GMT -5
I think Georgetown's done a pretty good job recently of recognizing the past. DFW's Hoyabasketball site is incredible (and yes, I realize that's not really the University, but it is recongizing our past players) and the 100th anniversary stuff is pretty neat.
We've got some nice reminders in McDonough as well -- the banenrs, the mural, the jerseys of players drafted/played in the NBA.
What Georgetown doesn't do as well, in my mind, is twofold:
1. It takes an excruciatingly long time to get inducted into the general Georgetown HOF -- and that's pretty much the only recongition for great players.
2. There's no recognition for great players at Verizon and only the National Championship banner for a great team.
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So, my question is:
1. Should Georgetown retire numbers?
Personally, I'm against retiring numbers because I love the fact that Ewing, Morning, Ewing, Jr. and now whomever can all wear 33. I think that's awesome.
2. Should Georgetown get duplicate NCAA banners or Final Four banners or consolidated banners for Verizon?
Absolutely. I think we might have a Final Four banner now, right? But our NCAA string is pretty long, so it would be cool to have that.
3. Now to the fun question: Should we raise jerseys to the rafters? If so, who's up there? Is there set criteria (like All Americans)? Do you recongize a ton of players or a select few? Give me a list.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on May 23, 2008 10:16:55 GMT -5
From the modern era:
Ewing
Floyd
Mourning
Williams
Duren
Each I believe was an All-American and graduated. That's my criteria.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 23, 2008 10:18:21 GMT -5
So, what about Jeff (who will be graduating) and Roy? Or do they have to be first team AA? Did Charles Smith not graduate?
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Post by CO_Hoya on May 23, 2008 10:18:44 GMT -5
From the modern era: Ewing Floyd Mourning Williams Duren Each I believe was an All-American and graduated. That's my criteria. Charles Smith? Roy Hibbert? |
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on May 23, 2008 10:21:53 GMT -5
Add them. Though Smitty is also a convicted killer, so maybe not so much.
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Post by BigMike on May 23, 2008 10:21:56 GMT -5
I like this idea a lot better than retiring numbers - not sure Verizon would let us put all these banners up.
I would add Jeff Green to that list. Even though he only played 3 years - he is going to graduate and in terms of most important players to the program he has got to be in the top 5 - maybe number 2.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 23, 2008 10:22:16 GMT -5
Bill Martin. Mark Tillmon. Perry McDonald all fit the criteria as well.
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Post by blueandgray on May 23, 2008 10:39:27 GMT -5
Wait ... i'm confused! Isn't the criteria we are talking about that they be a collegiate AA and graduate ... if so, Martin, Tillmon, and McDonald don't qualify. Further, I can pretty much say with certainty that the way players are leaving early.... the great majority of AA's will be gone years before they graduate. Case and point, Ewing would have been one and done in the current era.
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Post by hoopsmccan on May 23, 2008 10:44:56 GMT -5
Add them. Though Smitty is also a convicted killer, so maybe not so much. Who knew vehicular homicide was one of you hot buttons... |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2008 10:47:40 GMT -5
Good discussion, SF. On your two things that GU doesn't do well:
1. GU won't induct anyone unless they can actually be present to be inducted. This may seem silly, but it makes sense from a standpoint of actually having people attend these things - and you want/need people to attend them. If Alonzo Mourning is getting inducted but won't actually be there, I'm not going to bother to attend. If he's there, I'm there. The most likely candidates to be inducted end up in the NBA, and until their careers are over, it's harder to pin them down.
2. Not sure what Verizon would allow us to do. We do have the 1984 NC banner, and a single banner noting all of the FF appearances (just raised this year), but that's all. And with all of the Mystics' WNBA Attendance Champion Banners, there's not much space...
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 23, 2008 10:49:53 GMT -5
Wait ... i'm confused! Isn't the criteria we are talking about that they be a collegiate AA and graduate ... if so, Martin, Tillmon, and McDonald don't qualify. Further, I can pretty much say with certainty that the way players are leaving early.... the great majority of AA's will be gone years before they graduate. Case and point, Ewing would have been one and done in the current era. Mark Tillmon. Graduated 1990. 1990 Associated Press Honorable Mention All-American, 1990. (Duren was an HM AA as well). Charles Smith, Graduated 1989. Was 2nd Team. Perry McDonald. HM, 1988. Graduate 1988. |
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Post by vcjack on May 23, 2008 10:54:37 GMT -5
I thought about it at the time but its pretty ironic that for the Louisville game the Cards had more former players up in the rafters at Verizon (Wes Unseld) then we do.
I like the NBA wall in McDonough because it is unique but I think we should have some sort of jersey rememberence for their Hoya years as well. I agree that we shouldn't retire numbers but having something in the rafters somewhere would be nice.
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Post by blueandgray on May 23, 2008 11:37:58 GMT -5
Wait ... i'm confused! Isn't the criteria we are talking about that they be a collegiate AA and graduate ... if so, Martin, Tillmon, and McDonald don't qualify. Further, I can pretty much say with certainty that the way players are leaving early.... the great majority of AA's will be gone years before they graduate. Case and point, Ewing would have been one and done in the current era. Mark Tillmon. Graduated 1990. 1990 Associated Press Honorable Mention All-American, 1990. (Duren was an HM AA as well). Charles Smith, Graduated 1989. Was 2nd Team. Perry McDonald. HM, 1988. Graduate 1988. There is no way we should consider putting up the jersey's of HM's. If anything, we should stick to National Championship's, FF Appearances, and perhaps a BET Champ banner. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 23, 2008 11:41:15 GMT -5
Two thoughts:
1. As tenants in Verizon Center, Georgetown has little say in what gets placed in the rafters. I don't expect that to change.
2. The NBA wall does not include the ten players with NBA experience prior to 1972. That ought to be rectfied.
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Post by chep3 on May 23, 2008 12:10:39 GMT -5
2. Not sure what Verizon would allow us to do. We do have the 1984 NC banner, and a single banner noting all of the FF appearances (just raised this year), but that's all. And with all of the Mystics' WNBA Attendance Champion Banners, there's not much space... Hilarious. I've always thought it's kind of an embarrassment to the Mystics. |
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Post by tgo on May 23, 2008 12:38:54 GMT -5
There is no way we should consider putting up the jersey's of HM's. If anything, we should stick to National Championship's, FF Appearances, and perhaps a BET Champ banner. agreed, we should only celebrate the highest levels. One banner for all BE championships, one for all FF's and individual banners for national championships for players, no honorable mentions and i like the idea of only graduates- we are a school first right? if the graduation requirement (doesnt have to be on time but just graduate eventually) means we never put up another jersey so be it. if we put players in the rafters their school and graduation year should be noted as well. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 23, 2008 12:52:19 GMT -5
So I've always been kind of a small Hall kind of guy -- the honor has to mean something. But HM AA is like a top 15-20 player in college. And since we're celebrating our history, I'd definitely expand it to that.
The list with just grads/non-HM:
John Mahnken (exempted from graduation due to WWII)
Dan Krauss
Sleepy Floyd
Patrick Ewing
Reggie Williams
Charles Smith
Dikembe Mutombo
Alonzo Mourning
Jeff Green
Roy Hibbert
I wouldn't mind adding people like Duren, Bill Martin and Jim Barry to that list.
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Post by blueandgray on May 23, 2008 12:57:14 GMT -5
If you were to add... you'd have to include guys like Jonathan Wallace, Michael Jackson, David Wingate and Sweetney to the list.
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Post by blueandgray on May 23, 2008 12:57:38 GMT -5
"David".
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Post by jgalt on May 23, 2008 14:44:15 GMT -5
I have no opinion on the HOF stuff because i dont know the process, but i like the system in place now (though i didnt know about the non-rocognition for pre 72 NBA players, that should be fixed). I think it is stupid to retire numbers in college because there are so few numbers that can be used.
I dont like the idea of not including players who did not graduate. Im a huge supporter of CBB being about school first but when i comes to recognizing BBall accomplishments (which i think this discussion should be primarily about) the players performance in school should have only a small weight. Im not saying that a player who acts egregiously unethically should be honored by the school just because he was a POY, but not graduating is not an egregiously unethical act.
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