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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2008 8:50:14 GMT -5
Despite the fact that it was public, the reality is the Hoop Club doesn't give a crap about its members outside DC -- so I'd have never been given an opportunity to see it without him. It'd be one thing if the HHC was going to provide a chance for me to see the video, or, you know, have the banquet on a weekend night with advance notice. The Hoya Hoop Club underwrites the banquet, but it doesn't set the schedule. It's not easy to get Coach, Bernard and DeGioia in DC on the same day, let alone in the same room - the athletic department, the basketball office and the President's office ultimately decide when this event happens. The Hoop Club certainly has no control over what content can be recorded or made public. What if Coach or Bernard decided that these things shouldn't be on YouTube? Would you be throwing jabs at them? I know the Club is an easy target, but it's not clear-cut as it may seem from the West Coast. I have no idea about haydenmac's extraordinary rendition.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2008 9:04:49 GMT -5
Despite the fact that it was public, the reality is the Hoop Club doesn't give a crap about its members outside DC -- so I'd have never been given an opportunity to see it without him. It'd be one thing if the HHC was going to provide a chance for me to see the video, or, you know, have the banquet on a weekend night with advance notice. The Hoya Hoop Club underwrites the banquet, but it doesn't set the schedule. It's not easy to get Coach, Bernard and DeGioia in DC on the same day, let alone in the same room - the athletic department, the basketball office and the President's office ultimately decide when this event happens. The Hoop Club certainly has no control over what content can be recorded or made public. What if Coach or Bernard decided that these things shouldn't be on YouTube? Would you be throwing jabs at them? I know the Club is an easy target, but it's not clear-cut as it may seem from the West Coast. I have no idea about haydenmac's extraordinary rendition. Yeah, I'd still be throwing jabs. You're right that it is more the athletic department I am unhappy with. I suppose I threw the HHC in there because that's where my check goes -- a check I basically get no tangible benefits for not because it is impossible to provide benefits but because no one cares to do so. But where the banquet is concerned, yes, that's the athletic department. There's simply no reason but charity to continue to support the program financially for someone too far from DC. None. Something as simple as the opportunity to actually come to the banquet -- imagine that! -- would be a great improvement to show that they aren't just taking my money and not caring (which, of course, is EXACTLY what they are doing).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2008 9:30:40 GMT -5
The Hoya Hoop Club underwrites the banquet, but it doesn't set the schedule. It's not easy to get Coach, Bernard and DeGioia in DC on the same day, let alone in the same room - the athletic department, the basketball office and the President's office ultimately decide when this event happens. The Hoop Club certainly has no control over what content can be recorded or made public. What if Coach or Bernard decided that these things shouldn't be on YouTube? Would you be throwing jabs at them? I know the Club is an easy target, but it's not clear-cut as it may seem from the West Coast. I have no idea about haydenmac's extraordinary rendition. Yeah, I'd still be throwing jabs. You're right that it is more the athletic department I am unhappy with. I suppose I threw the HHC in there because that's where my check goes -- a check I basically get no tangible benefits for not because it is impossible to provide benefits but because no one cares to do so. But where the banquet is concerned, yes, that's the athletic department. There's simply no reason but charity to continue to support the program financially for someone too far from DC. None. Something as simple as the opportunity to actually come to the banquet -- imagine that! -- would be a great improvement to show that they aren't just taking my money and not caring (which, of course, is EXACTLY what they are doing). Fair enough.
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Post by BigMike on Apr 21, 2008 9:48:54 GMT -5
"There's simply no reason but charity to continue to support the program financially for someone too far from DC."
I thought the purpose of donating to the Hoops Club was to help the basketball program not to get something out of it. If they had the banquet on Saturday would you still complain? My guess is yes. Then you would say why doesn't the hoops club/athletic dept. send me a free hat, why don't they get me tickets etc.
I always think its strange when people think a donation entitles them to something. All it should entitle you too is the satisfaction of giving.
Also saying that they don't care seems ridiculous. It seems like they care a lot. They spend the whole season trying to bend over backwards for spoiled alumni.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 21, 2008 10:27:14 GMT -5
i think taking down the videos from the banquet was the right thing to do...
something tells me that they didnt know it was going to end up on the internet
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Post by tgo on Apr 21, 2008 10:28:02 GMT -5
" I thought the purpose of donating to the Hoops Club was to help the basketball program not to get something out of it. They spend the whole season trying to bend over backwards for spoiled alumni. i agree with the first part of your statement, i donate to help the program and when i have enough money to do so, i will donate more in part to get priority on BET and tournament tickets. the second part there is nuts. your spoiled alumni are the shareholders in this business. the athletic dept as well as every other dept on campus should be thinking of students and alumni and bending over backwards as often as possible to fulfill the wishes of their two constituencies, who should they be trying to please if it is not the alumni and the students?
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Post by BigMike on Apr 21, 2008 10:40:36 GMT -5
I was responding to the idea that the athletic dept. or hoop club doesn't care about the alumni. I don't know anyone in the athletic dept. personally and I only donate a small amount of money yet everytime I've called someone there they have been very helpful.
My frustration is that when something doesn't go exactly as someone wants they whine on this board about it or threaten to stop donating. This is our school and our basketball team if you really care so much why don't you try calling the athletic dept/hoops club and proposing alternate solutions. Do you really think the hoops club or AD thought to themselves - hey lets have the banquet on a weekday to screw those not in the local area or didn't consider multiple dates for the event.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 21, 2008 10:44:30 GMT -5
The Athletic Department may not have wanted the videos online. The videos were taken offline. Ergo the Athletic Department took the videos offline. It's just simple logic.
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Post by moe09 on Apr 21, 2008 11:50:38 GMT -5
People not thinking that videos could end up on the internet at this day and age. Are you serious? Unless you're really old or completely out of touch with reality something tells me you've heard of the Paris Hilton video, youtube, Saddam Hussein's execution, the Daniel Pearl beheading... need I go on?
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Post by Boz on Apr 21, 2008 11:59:57 GMT -5
I would probably be a little more upset about this if I hadn't had the opportunity to watch all of the videos before they were removed.
;D
Just kidding. Thanks to hayden for putting them up, sorry they had to come down. If it was the wish of the coaching staff or players or families or even the athletic department in general that they be removed, I can respect that. (On the other hand, they really should be proud of all they had to say; I don't remember a single "Oops" moment throughout the whole thing.)
Be kind of neat, actually, if the Internet was a little nicer, more respectful place like that and every single video ever shot wasn't automatically available, regardless of what the subject/object of that video thinks about it. But I'll stop there, because Patton Oswalt said it much funnier than I can.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 21, 2008 12:49:06 GMT -5
Someone said that the Athletic department filmed it too right? what if they asked them to be removed because the school was going to sell a video of it? that still doesnt explain the suspicious disappearance of hayden... Just thinking out loud here.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 21, 2008 13:05:53 GMT -5
I was responding to the idea that the athletic dept. or hoop club doesn't care about the alumni. I don't know anyone in the athletic dept. personally and I only donate a small amount of money yet everytime I've called someone there they have been very helpful. My frustration is that when something doesn't go exactly as someone wants they whine on this board about it or threaten to stop donating. This is our school and our basketball team if you really care so much why don't you try calling the athletic dept/hoops club and proposing alternate solutions. Do you really think the hoops club or AD thought to themselves - hey lets have the banquet on a weekday to screw those not in the local area or didn't consider multiple dates for the event. Big Mike, you don't know what you are talking about or whom you are talking to. SFHoya is very involved with Georgetown. He is on the Executive Board out here in Northern California and has had extensive contact with the Athletic Department, the Hoya Hoop Club and the University in general. He isn't just whining about something not going exactly the way he wants, he's voicing a valid, longstanding criticism of the University. The fact is, alums outside the beltway feel cutoff, isolated, ignored and unappreciated -- UNLESS we are being solicited for funds and donations. When SFHoya and a group of alumni were upset with the lack of activity by the local club, they took over control and have made it one of the more successful clubs in the country. However, the University has not made anything easy. I won't go into details, but I can honestly say that SFHoya knows more than most about how to work with the University and has the practical experience and frustration to warrant his opinion taken seriously. Let's just say the fact that they answered the phone call and made promises isn't the problem; rather, its the followthrough and foresite that is the problem. They make the same mistakes over and over and over again.
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Post by BigMike on Apr 21, 2008 13:16:51 GMT -5
If that is the case then I apologize to SFHoya - that is exactly the kind of initiative I am looking for. I'm just venting my frustration over people complaining without offering/working towards reasonable solutions.
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 21, 2008 13:24:28 GMT -5
SF:
Dumb question - how are far-flung members looking to get involved?
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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 21, 2008 13:51:17 GMT -5
is haydenmac evan chvotkin? or am i totally off-base with that?
also last year's banquet was taped in full and put online, so i don't understand the hubbub about this year...strange and bummed i didnt get to this thread fast enough.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 21, 2008 13:57:11 GMT -5
Haydenmac is Keyser Soze.
And then poof, like that...he's gone.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 21, 2008 14:13:01 GMT -5
is haydenmac evan chvotkin? or am i totally off-base with that? also last year's banquet was taped in full and put online, so i don't understand the hubbub about this year...strange and bummed i didnt get to this thread fast enough. i thought the same thing, but didnt want to say anything in case i was completely wrong or it was common knowledge
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2008 14:41:41 GMT -5
SF: Dumb question - how are far-flung members looking to get involved? I fully admit that there is always going to be an inequity between far-flung members and ones in DC or closer. The team is in DC and so the prime benefits -- tickets, events, etc. -- are all DC based. I understand that. And another caveat -- this is all dictated by the University and Athletic Department. I understand in some places the HHC is constrained by the University. In some places they aren't. Some thoughts on what the University could do better w/ regards to people out of state: - How about an email list? Cambridge, McBricks, SFO and I organize the gamewatches out in SF (McBricks does all the work) and we've basically had to accumulate our own mailing list -- for both the local Alumni Club and the gamewatches. How awesome is that? We can't get a list of emails from the University to promote basketball to people who donate to the basketball program?
- Ability to participate in functions. This means meeting notes, conference calling, web streaming, etc., even if it has to be encrypted.
It also means that if you have a major event, how about setting a date far in the future and sticking to it? How about trying to get a group rate at the Marriott in town? It'd be great if it could be on a weekend, but if not, how about a Thursday at least?
It can be as simple as something I agitated for a few years ago and got (for only one year I think) -- the ability to submit online questions for the open practice. Now, I don't know if they even showed them to Thompson, but they at least had the ability to email them in.
- Help with organizing group trips to close away games. The HHC has done a better job of this in recent years -- they usually do a nice reception, etc.
But when there's sufficient group interest, why can't the athletic department/HHC help coordinate? I can't remember if Alabama had a group rate at the team hotel or not, but that's what I'm talking about.
More importantly, help with tickets. Alabama wasn't an issue -- Gtown got a big allocation. But when we don't get an allocation, Georgetown is no help. When we organized a trip to Oregon three years ago, I lost about half the prospective travelers from the Bay Area when I told them that we'd have to purchase them ourselves off of ticketmaster online. We (a group of friends) were fronting cash for over forty people on our own so we could all sit together.
We did the best we could, but like I said -- we brought 40 when we could have brought eighty.
- The gamewatch kits are nice; they need to be updated. One a year of what they send is fine, but all people really want are the T-shirts and the schedules. No one needs a new bumper sticker year after year.
What would be great is some raffable items. Or do some kind of HHC only raffle centralling -- not through local people. That's fine, too. It doesn't have to be fancy, but they need to be useful promotional items.
- Bring back the year in review videos. I can't stress how big of a money maker this would be. But the added benefit is that we on the west coast could see part of the banquet and other events, could get a little closer to a team we really only see on tv.
And we'd pay extra.
(Note: I had even lined up a video editor willing to do it for much cheaper than the HHC told me it cost previously if they were willing to provide gametape and the ability to interview a few people, but had zero followup from Athletics).
- Give a real avenue for input. These are just some of my ideas -- I'm sure other people have others. But there isn't an easy and consistent way to provide feedback and frankly I never see any follow-through. To put it lightly: it took us two years to get a Georgetown University banner.
-------------- In general, I just have a philosophical breach with Georgetown in that they view giving as a charity rather than understanding that the person giving gets something out of it. Whether it is a feeling of charitable satisfaction, better seats or the hope of retaining our coach, no one is giving to the HHC out of pure charity. Charity for me means giving to the American Cancer Society or the Red Cross, not Georgetown Hoops. I hope to see a return there in a better team. And maybe a little advance notice on the banquet. I think if you looked at the % of HHC members in DC and their giving relative to the general Georgetown alumni population, you'd find it is extremely DC and season-ticket holder centered. Which says to me -- people are giving for their seats, or at least the average people are. Which means the HHC and Athletics are leaving a lot of money on the table outside of DC. People don't need HUGE benefits, but they don't want to feel like the University is taking their money then ignoring them.-------------- I think both the Athletic Department and the Hoop Club have improved quite a bit over the last few years. And maybe I'm too stuck in the business world -- but I think they would be a lot more effective if they thought of themselves as a customer-facing organization and not a charity.
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Post by McBricks on Apr 22, 2008 16:10:58 GMT -5
Nicely done SF. I am in complete agreement.
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Apr 22, 2008 17:41:41 GMT -5
[/li][li]How about an email list? Cambridge, McBricks, SFO and I organize the gamewatches out in SF (McBricks does all the work) and we've basically had to accumulate our own mailing list -- for both the local Alumni Club and the gamewatches. How awesome is that? We can't get a list of emails from the University to promote basketball to people who donate to the basketball program? [/quote] An ongoing problem in SoCal as well. I understand the need to have some privacy with regards to email addresses, however it would seem that when used for the sole purpose of engaging alumni in a gamewatch they'd find a way to make this happen. As it works now I know we often have to beg on a case by case/game by game basis to get an email sent out. [/li][li]The gamewatch kits are nice; they need to be updated. One a year of what they send is fine, but all people really want are the T-shirts and the schedules. No one needs a new bumper sticker year after year. [/quote] I could wallpaper entire rooms in my house with We Are Georgetown bumperstickers with the amount that were fedexed to LA this year. People love the trivia for shirts in SoCal, but a one time shipment of bumperstickers/pom poms/schedules at the beginning of the season would probably suffice. Also, would it kill them to send schedule magnets again? I've got a collection that dates back to the last century and don't want to miss out. We've clearly got a big enough alumni base in some cities you'd think they would just mail one big package at the beginning of the year just to save on shipping costs. In general, I just have a philosophical breach with Georgetown in that they view giving as a charity rather than understanding that the person giving gets something out of it. Whether it is a feeling of charitable satisfaction, better seats or the hope of retaining our coach, no one is giving to the HHC out of pure charity. If it was purely charitable, then why did I only get an IRS credit for 80% of the value of my donation. If Uncle Sam thinks I'm getting benefits, then it would be nice to get benefits.
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