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Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2008 15:26:28 GMT -5
While I think Wright is one of our best guards, and one of my favorite players on next years team, I don't think he will be starting next year. It doesn't make any sense to keep Summers out of his natural position, when we have the number one recruit coming in that plays power forward. I don't see Chris taking Freeman's or Sapp's spot in the starting line up, plus he would be great energy off the bench, like Patrick was this year. We'll see what happens in the offseason though. Also I don't really see how Macklin doesn't start at center unless Simms takes his spot. Everything that I read seemed led me to believe he recruited Greg with the intention of putting him at the four in the "Jeff Green Role". That role is where Monroes skill set seems to fit as well. So instead of playing Freeman, Summers, AND Monroe out of position, we could just start Macklin at the 5. JTIII and Macklin both knew Roy was going to be gone at the end of this season, and I Macklin will be ready for next season.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 28, 2008 15:35:50 GMT -5
This is the lineup I would want to see
Pg) Chris Wright Sg) Jessie Sapp Sf) DaJuan Summers Pf) Greg Monroe C) Vernon Macklin
Austin is the first off the bench.
This makes the most sense because IMO Chris needs to start because of his ability to handle the ball and penetrate. Those are the two skills we missed the most when he was injured this season.
It also really would be counterproductive to keep summers at the four when we have a natural four in greg and everything that greg brings us in terms of height and rebounding.
I know people won't like Austin not starting. I don't either. But when you look at it, it's the most logical option. Austin, whether he starts or not, will likely still play 25-30 minutes per game. and he'd only have to come off the bench for one season.
That lineup makes the most sense because I think it's imperative that Chris Wright be our starting point guard next season, and that's the only way we could do it without sacrificing ourselves with a small lineup.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 28, 2008 15:39:53 GMT -5
I think with JT3's system, it's hard to come in and be a huge contributor right away. I think this premise is incorrect. A player like Beasley or Love (you didn't mention size) could be a huge contributor right away, no matter what system the team plays. It's a matter of being aggresive all the time, wanting to impose your will and game all the time. We saw games in which Freeman was the leading scorer and other games where he was just there. I remember a game where he got blocked going to the basket and he sort of disappeared for the rest of the game. He needs to be aggressive all the time and he will average 15-18 pts, even in our system. That said, with all this talk about Monroe's off moments during games, I'm not sure how big of a contributor Monroe will be right away. Will he have the talent and desire to dominate like Beasley and Love? I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2008 15:57:45 GMT -5
I don't see any situation where Chris doesn't start/play the most minutes next year. And Sapp starts. And Freeman. And Summers. And whoever wins the center job.
Wright Sapp Freeman Summers Macklin/Monroe, etc.
That's likely the best five. And that's what you got to go with.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 28, 2008 17:02:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry but one season with Summers at PF is enough for me. Move him bac k to where he belongs. Then...start either Sapp or Wright. and go from there.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 28, 2008 17:27:26 GMT -5
I think Summers and Freeman did not play as well together as each played with Ewing at the 4. Summers played the 4 on defense, but on offence he was another perimeter player.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2008 17:48:21 GMT -5
Upon further review, I think unless Austin and Sapp improve their ball handeling/decision making, Chris needs to start if we want to break a press next year. That leaves us with an interesting situation as one of Sapp, Austin, or maybe even Summers, may have to be "demoted" to sixth man.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2008 18:18:43 GMT -5
Upon further review, I think unless Austin and Sapp improve their ball handeling/decision making, Chris needs to start if we want to break a press next year. That leaves us with an interesting situation as one of Sapp, Austin, or maybe even Summers, may have to be "demoted" to sixth man. Again, isn't it more likely that all of those are better players than all but one of the big men? I can't see us playing Macklin for more minutes than Sapp simply because of the idea -- which I'm not sure is right -- that Summers is better suited for the three. Sure, if Macklin makes the leap and becomes a much better player, then a decision has to be made. But you put your best players on the floor for the longest time.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 28, 2008 18:48:47 GMT -5
I guess I just don't understand the statements about "Summers playing out of position at the 4" on this year's team. Yes, he isn't a 4 at the next level but he's 6'8 and played the post in HS. If he works to improve his post game and actually uses it next year, then we become a much dangerous offensive team with him in that spot. Does all this really matter at the end of the day because it's not like we won't be going with a 9-10 deep rotation next year anyway. Anyone who thinks that Sapp won't start every single game next year is delusional. He took a step back this year with decision making, but still made some of the most beautiful passes within our system out of everyone on the team. He's improved his shooting in every area and has proven to be a solid defender and clutch player. I'm guessing that he'll also be extremely hungry after watching how this year's seniors had their career end. I'd bet this time next year will be talking about where Sapp fits among the all-time toughest guards in Hoya history and reminiscing about his clutch plays and questioning if Jason Clark can fill the void that is going to be left by Sapp.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 28, 2008 19:13:18 GMT -5
he's not a four...period...he doesn't think like a four, he doesn't play like a four. he was playing out of position this season, it's as simple as that
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Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2008 19:36:41 GMT -5
Upon further review, I think unless Austin and Sapp improve their ball handeling/decision making, Chris needs to start if we want to break a press next year. That leaves us with an interesting situation as one of Sapp, Austin, or maybe even Summers, may have to be "demoted" to sixth man. Again, isn't it more likely that all of those are better players than all but one of the big men? I can't see us playing Macklin for more minutes than Sapp simply because of the idea -- which I'm not sure is right -- that Summers is better suited for the three. Sure, if Macklin makes the leap and becomes a much better player, then a decision has to be made. But you put your best players on the floor for the longest time. Well right now Macklin is the only center on this team, except for maybe Henry Sims, so it is likely he will end up with more minutes than Sapp since Sapp is competing with Freeman, Wright, Clark and Rivers for time. Monroe and Sims with both get some time at center, but right now I see Macklin as our best option, especially if he makes some more strides this summer.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2008 21:21:49 GMT -5
he's not a four...period...he doesn't think like a four, he doesn't play like a four. he was playing out of position this season, it's as simple as that Of course, our fours tend to basically be threes on offense, so I fail really to see what the big deal is. The real issue with Summers at the four is why he isn't driving past the Jeff Adrien's of the world when he's matched up. He's a total offensive mismatch playing the four but he prefers to shoot jumpers. Both Bowman and Jeff took real advantage of the fact that they were often guarded by folks who couldn't play with their perimeter skills; why not DaJuan? Moving him back to the three will just make him take more threes and be more passive IMO, and that's the last thing we need.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2008 21:23:19 GMT -5
Again, isn't it more likely that all of those are better players than all but one of the big men? I can't see us playing Macklin for more minutes than Sapp simply because of the idea -- which I'm not sure is right -- that Summers is better suited for the three. Sure, if Macklin makes the leap and becomes a much better player, then a decision has to be made. But you put your best players on the floor for the longest time. Well right now Macklin is the only center on this team, except for maybe Henry Sims, so it is likely he will end up with more minutes than Sapp since Sapp is competing with Freeman, Wright, Clark and Rivers for time. Monroe and Sims with both get some time at center, but right now I see Macklin as our best option, especially if he makes some more strides this summer. Well, yeah, and I'm betting that Greg Monroe kid could probably play a little center, too. Jeff Green played as much center at Georgetown as he played PF. Monroe will be playing as the biggest man on the floor and I think it will happen quite a bit.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 29, 2008 9:10:25 GMT -5
I don't see any situation where Chris doesn't start/play the most minutes next year. And Sapp starts. And Freeman. And Summers. And whoever wins the center job. Wright Sapp Freeman Summers Macklin/Monroe, etc. That's likely the best five. And that's what you got to go with. I think that's the lineup that FINISHES the game. Vernon won't be out there at the end of the game because of his problems at the free throw line, so I think the strongest lineup for that situation is Wright/Sapp/Free/Summers/Monroe. However, I agree with those who think it's silly to start the game with three guys out of position (Free at 3, Summers at 4 and Monroe at 5). Hopefully Vernon comes around is ready to take on the starting 5 spot, and everybody can play their natural position with Wright getting tons of minutes off the bench. And of course as the season goes on, adjustments can be made if need be.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 29, 2008 10:23:54 GMT -5
Upon further review, I think unless Austin and Sapp improve their ball handeling/decision making, Chris needs to start if we want to break a press next year. That leaves us with an interesting situation as one of Sapp, Austin, or maybe even Summers, may have to be "demoted" to sixth man. Give me Sapp (actually I prefer Wright but I don't see sapp not starting), Freeman, Summers, Monroe and Macklin in my starting five with Wright being the first guy off the bench. Sapp and Freeman should be able to handle most pressure defenses but Monroe can help out as well in a pinch...hopefully.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 29, 2008 13:03:04 GMT -5
I think Monroe will play some center too, and he will have to, but the majority of his minutes won't be in the center positon, and the majority of the minutes in the center position won't be played my Monroe.
I think Sapp is definitly going to start as well, but I really don't think that is the best option if teams are going to press us, which they will. Sapp will have to improve his decision making, and Freeman his handle, atlough I agree that the addition of Monroe should help improve our press break a bit.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 29, 2008 13:39:20 GMT -5
he's not a four...period...he doesn't think like a four, he doesn't play like a four. he was playing out of position this season, it's as simple as that Well, thanks for clearing that up with your fantastic analysis. All I know is that he shot better from the floor and from 3, while averaging 2 more points, almost 2 more rebounds and improving his A:T ratio while playing approximately the same amount of time his freshman year. I think the problem is that most of us expected more. I've seen enough year over year improvement from our players to be fairly confident that we will see a much improved Dajuan next year now that he will be healthy this offseason and can actually work on his game.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 29, 2008 18:01:21 GMT -5
I'm more than happy to clear that up with my "fantastic analysis". Of course Dajuan should be better next season with a full off-season to work on his game. And of course he should be better if for no other reason than he has something to prove. But he's a three...period. That's just a fact. Whether he plays the three or the four, he's going to improve. But why play him out of position next season when we have Greg coming in who's much more suited than he is at playing the Jeff Green role at the four. And if he's an average rebounder at the four, he becomes a great rebounder at the three.
The reason that he doesn't drive past people right now is because he has no handle. Everytime he tries, he loses the basketball and turns it over. That's why he settles for so many treys. For Dajuan to be ready at the next level, he's got to handle the ball much much better, which is something that we expected but never got.
And Playa, despite the stats you so eloquently relayed with your fantastic analysis, do you really think he had a better season this year than last year?
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Post by moe09 on Mar 29, 2008 19:09:46 GMT -5
Since this has obviously gotten off topic, I'd just like to say that for me the biggest line-up question is Vernon Macklin. Granted I was only here for the first half of the year, but I was at all of the games last year, and quite frankly, I don't understand how Macklin could be a good starter. Serviceable, maybe, but good? I'm still confused as to how he made the AA game. Maybe he'll improve, but sometimes he just seems lost out there and also not very coordinated. He does show flashes of potential as he is ridiculously athletic, but he has yet to harness that athletic ability. Can anyone say anything about his play this year?
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Post by idhoya on Mar 30, 2008 0:22:39 GMT -5
I think all the guys coming in will see alot of time.
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