2 Years from now

[royski]

Yes, I know that this is speculative, and I know that that multiple things need to happen and that we need to (knock on wood) have no massive injuries. But just think about this.

Let's assume that Dajuan is a 4 year player. (Hardly a stretch at this point I would think.)

Let's assume Chris and Austin stick around for their junior years. (Feel very strongly Austin will be here, a little less so on Chris, but I think the odds of him staying still need to be about 70%)

And finally, lets say Monroe isn't our first ever one and done player. The line-up for the 2009-10 Hoyas?

PG- Chris Wright (JR)
SG- Austin Freeman (JR)
SF- DaJuan Summers (SR)
PF- Greg Monroe (SO)
C- Vernon Macklin (SR)

With a second unit of....

G- Jason Clark (SO)
G- Jeremiah Rivers (SR)
SF- Hollis Thompson (FR)
PF- Chris Braswell (SO)
C- Henry Sims (SO)

Plus a possible second freshman in that class, and the potential contributions by that point of Nikita and Omar.

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Are you kidding me?!?! Is this team clearly #1 in the nation with a shot at undefeated? Would our back-ups alone be a top 20 team? Does everyone realize just how possible this is? I'm giddy just looking at it. That's a starting line-up with a legitimate 1st round NBA prospect at EVERY SINGLE POSITION! A team with all top 100 recruits, in their second years or later with the exception of Hollis coming off THE BENCH! Just wondering if anyone else doodles out possible future line-ups during class.

Discuss if you wish.

[jgalt]

Mar 27, 2008 15:52:25 GMT -5 royski said:

Just wondering if anyone else doodles out possible future line-ups during class.

no, i read and post on this board instead.

[vcjack]

Oh if it happens we will be absolutely sick but I think DaJuan might have a better year next season that will tempt him to jump

[SFHoya99]

Well, I think the issue is that is some of those players are as good as you think they might be, what are the chances they stick around?

I personally think both Chris and Austin are here at least three years. Neither is tailor made for the NBA -- Chris on height and Austin just generally on body/athleticism. I could be wrong.

But if you're writing Summers as an elite level player up there...does that only happen his senior year? Because he's not ready now, but if he's ready at the end of next year, he's likely gone. Do you see the issue on just how good the timing would have to be?

I think the same applies to Monroe. If he's a brilliant player, what chance does he have to make it?

I do think the team will be pretty amazing -- it's basically the first year JTIII will have four full classes of his own players, minus only a couple of defectations (Next year he has all his own players, but 3/4 of the senior class departed).

[thornski]

Yeah I was talking to some friends and noting that while next year could be a bit of a retooling year (don't get me wrong we'll still be good)...just wait one more year and we'll be filthy.

That team will be pretty outrageous if it all works out like that - would have to be the deepest team in the country going 10 deep - and so much experience too, with only one of those 10 - Hollis - as a freshman.

But still undefeated is definitely a huge stretch. As I've said in earlier posts, even if we have hypothetically a 95% chance to win every individual game (which is way way too high), over a 35 game stretch we'd still only have a 17% chance to go undefeated.

Obviously though I still love our chances having an amazing year.

[royski]

Mar 27, 2008 16:03:40 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Well, I think the issue is that is some of those players are as good as you think they might be, what are the chances they stick around?

I personally think both Chris and Austin are here at least three years. Neither is tailor made for the NBA -- Chris on height and Austin just generally on body/athleticism. I could be wrong.

But if you're writing Summers as an elite level player up there...does that only happen his senior year? Because he's not ready now, but if he's ready at the end of next year, he's likely gone. Do you see the issue on just how good the timing would have to be?

I think the same applies to Monroe. If he's a brilliant player, what chance does he have to make it?

I do think the team will be pretty amazing -- it's basically the first year JTIII will have four full classes of his own players, minus only a couple of defectations (Next year he has all his own players, but 3/4 of the senior class departed).

Yes, that's fair. I guess I envisioned Summers as a 2nd team All-BE player personally next year, followed by a 1st teamer the following year. Sorta saw Monroe also as a 2nd teamer next year who became a POY candidate as a sophomore, but I agree that the timing would have to be pretty special. I could see a very special Monroe sticking around for one more year, given his reported demeanor, if he was being talked about in the 15-25 range for example. DaJuan is more of a question mark, given reports that he wanted to jump after THIS year, but can't.

[blueandgray]

Hollis has the maturity and skill sets to replace Summers in the starting line up should Dajuan make the jump.

[SDHoya]

Predicting two years in advance that we will have an undefeated team is pretty darn bold. That being said, its pretty clear that this program is going in the right direction, and as long as we don't hit any unforseen speed bumps, we should indeed be outstanding by then.

[royski]

To be quite clear, I commented on the speculative nature of the post as my very first comment, and said a "shot" to go undefeated, which I would say is anything over 5%. By no means did I predict an undefeated season.

[hoyatables]

I like how the off-season speculation has progressed from "will make the Tournament" to "will win the Championship" to "will go undefeated." It's good to be good.

[idhoya]

The way III and staff are recruiting, speed bumps are being factored in now. Trying to lock up '09 and '10 kids is neccesary and what they're doing now. GU will have 4 schollies for '10 and Hairston, Roscoe and Tyler have one whenever they're ready. The last one could be Atkins, Morris, whoever else.

[DudeSlade]

If we have the lineup that royski projects, which is certainly possible at this point, we also face the issue of potentially losing that entire starting lineup after that year. Obviously, DaJuan and Macklin would be gone, being seniors. I would be happy to have Monroe for 2 years, so I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him leave after soph year. And depending on the number of quality guards in the draft and the desires of Wright and Freeman, either or both of those guys could leave after junior year. It would be a hell of a retooling year, though we'd still have a lot of talent. It'd be somewhat similar to that UNC team with Roy Williams after they won the championship in 2005, I think, or even like Florida this year. Don't mean to rain on the parade, since I'm as excited as anyone about the possibilities of this team; just meant to point out another interesting dilemma with these guys. Would we be allowed to offer the 7 schollies necessary to fill out the team at that point, if that we're to happen? Interesting to speculate, but seems impossible to really get a hold of since we're talking 2-3 years from now.

[lichoya68]

wowowowo many a slip between the cup and the lip but i am freaking excited IS IT NOVEMBER YET wowowowo g ohoyas FILL LEAVEY FOR THE SENIORS GO HOYAS

[chep3]

I would take that 1 year of that lineup over having to deal with the extraordinarily young team we have the year after.

[hsaxa2010]

I have thought about this potential, and if this happens, I'll be really excited. Although I'm quite excited for the potential of next year's team too!

[hoyarooter]

I'm looking forward to having a team so good in 2009-2010 that we will have a negative number of losses. But now I'm really worried and will lose sleep over the likely inexperience of the team in 2010-2011.

Anyway, it's fun to be good again and to be able to broach such speculation. On a more serious note, I think there is a decent chance that the team in 2009-2010 could be really good. We'll find out then!

[SFHoya99]

Rooter, can we apply that negative loss retroactively to last Sunday and play today? I'm still bitter.

[FrazierFanatic]

lic needs to know - where are the 7-footers??

[HOYAPLAYA]

I have to agree with the poster who earlier said that we'll have at least Freeman for 4 years. He's a 6'3 efficient player who I think will start to establish himself as a team leader as early as next year. I just don't see him getting considered as a lottery pick or anything high enough that would make him want to leave. Chris Wright is the wild card as our staff's coaching and this kid's natural ability could mean that he is a superstar by his JR season and may be gone after that. Oh well, there is no point in worrying about that scenario now. Right now, I'm trying to get over my frustration/anger over the loss and what I really think about the officiating in that game.

[prhoya]

Royski, don't get orgasmic, but you forgot Riley for '09.

BTW, judging from this season, DaJuan, Wright and Freeman looked like four-year players. If DaJuan has an incredible and consitent junior year, he may jump. If that's the case, we'll be outstanding next year. As for Wright and Freeman, it's really too early to tell, but it's not as if they dominated when they were in the game. I'm sure they will be the leaders by their junior year (thus, IMO, no chance they leave after next season).