DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 23, 2008 16:12:49 GMT -5
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Post by sbgorms on Mar 23, 2008 16:14:34 GMT -5
I didn't see this coming. Not the way this ended. Not this team. This is the first time all season we have choked away a game, and it happens now, in the NCAA tournament. The refs were bad, but we choked this away. I can't believe it. What a disappointment. I don't even know what to say.
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Post by 1984alloveragain on Mar 23, 2008 16:16:37 GMT -5
We DO NOT play well on Easter Sundays. The loss to duke in the Reg. Final in '89 STILL stings...
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 23, 2008 16:17:51 GMT -5
we didnt have the same magic as last year. the entire season. no more bananas please. geezus, now that it didn't work lets bury it for good.
also if i ever see greg gumbel on the street i am going to knock his teeth out because as soon as they went away from the game here in NYC davidson slowly but surely creeped back in.
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Post by 1984alloveragain on Mar 23, 2008 16:18:01 GMT -5
I jinked us by not going to Church today...
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doublehoya
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Post by doublehoya on Mar 23, 2008 16:18:06 GMT -5
I feel horrible for Roy, Jon, Tyler, & Pat. Especially Roy. Ugh.
Off to Easter mass -- where I will start praying for a 2009 Championship.
8 on 5 -- What a horrible way to lose.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 23, 2008 16:19:42 GMT -5
Complete no-show by everybody but Sapp in the second half. Curry hit some ridiculous shots, but how do you have a 40% FG shooting edge at one point and still only lead by a dozen or so. Turnovers killed us. Fouls killed us. Free throw shooting killed us.
What a stinging, bitter defeat. Davidson will be the talk of the tournament now. I will not watch another game--at least until they are eliminated. I just became a huge Badgers fan.
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Post by perrymcruled on Mar 23, 2008 16:21:58 GMT -5
Not the way Roy wanted to end his career, shame for him. 6 points - that's just mind blowing.
Bottom line, the better team today won. Congrats to them, and too bad the Hoyas didn't play in the second half.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 23, 2008 16:23:00 GMT -5
That was an awful way to end things wasn't it? It's games like that that remind me how good these guys have made it to be a Hoya fan these past few years. We rarely have to see collapses like that, if ever (helped by refs or not). Good luck to Davidson I suppose.... you'll need it. We put a pretty Easter bow on that one for you. The worst part is that we won't ever get to see John, Tyler, Roy and Pat suit up together again and get after it. You guys were so good to us that it's painful to lose because of the high expectations you allowed us to have. Thanks again and best of luck in all that you do.
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Post by guhoyasfan36 on Mar 23, 2008 16:23:01 GMT -5
Roy lays a "monster" egg. Coach shows no killer instinct...pull the ball out when you have 2 on 1 against press...Really? We are no better than DOOK. I am ashamed...I hope this hurts bad...real bad...show me some killer friggin instict next year.
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royski
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Post by royski on Mar 23, 2008 16:26:17 GMT -5
Were we jobbed a bit by the refs? Sure. Was it total bull that we had to play a road game in round 2? Once again, sure. But we led by 17 points in the second half and turned the switch off. This team hasn't had that killer instinct to just put a team away all year. It cost us the first Louisville game and it cost us this one. Just tremendously disappointing, not the way I wanted to see this fantastic senior class go out. But lets keep some perspective on that issue too.
Jon Wallace, Roy Hibbert, Patrick Ewing Jr and Tyler Crawford, what you've done to bring this program back was not at all diminished today. I am proud to be a Hoya fan because of you guys. I wish all of you the very best of luck for the rest of your lives, wherever they may lead. Hoya Editeding Saxa.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 23, 2008 16:26:45 GMT -5
I never thought I'd see the day we'd shoot 63% and still lose.
The NYC area got screwed and CBS switched over to other games for the majority of the 2nd half, but it seemed like it was a parade to the FT line for Davidson during the run after Roy's 4th (maybe someone who had constant coverage can fill us in). As for the first half, it was an absolute joke we weren't up more. It wasn't even like we were exceptionally careless with the ball... how many times did we get joke offensive fouls? What ever happened to needing to have your feet set to draw a charge? At one point I was worried Nikita was going to have to start warming up because at the rate the whistles were going there was no way we were finishing with enough bodies.
To the seniors: terrible way to go out, but I'll always be proud of you guys, and I'm certain after time somewhat heals the pain from this loss, we'll remember more of the good than today's bad. And Roy, good luck at the next level. Hopefully you'll have more luck with the stripes than you did as a college player.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 23, 2008 16:27:02 GMT -5
I am devastated. That's about the only word to use.
The seniors should not have gone out like this and they know it.
I apologize for my lack of prayers because I pretty much used up my sports karma with the Super Bowl and the home wins vs. Cuse and Nova.
I just don't know what else to say.
My dad says JTIII got outcoached, and he's right. We may have only lost one player from last year but we clearly lost our heads and our killer instinct.
And to put in a personal dig, NOVA IS NOT BETTER THAN US. And yet, at the end of today, they are and it KILLS me.
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 23, 2008 16:27:07 GMT -5
Meltdown aside, I hope Roy graduates to a league where they will actually let him play. What an awful way for all of them to go out. I guess you can't write the ending that you want.
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Post by hoyainindia on Mar 23, 2008 16:27:10 GMT -5
not the best time of year to have your wrost defensive half - 47 points...
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Post by whatmaroon on Mar 23, 2008 16:28:13 GMT -5
Hugely disappointing loss. More than anything, I'm mad this is the way we ended the season-it doesn't feel like we got beat, so much as the officials kept them in the game until they started hitting shots. I know, that's unfair to Davidson, but that's the way it feels. Key moment: Curry fouls Wright (uncalled), travels (uncalled), then hits a 3 to go up 5. That's the game in a microcosm for me.
Thanks to Tyler, PE2, Roy, and JWall for some great years on the Hilltop. My faith in the basketball program that was broken by the home loss to Pitt in '97 was restored on your watch, and that will outlast this loss.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 23, 2008 16:29:01 GMT -5
16 mins for Roy in has last game. You'd wish that they would've let him play today. Not going to start winning games with more mins for Vern than Roy until next year.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Mar 23, 2008 16:34:24 GMT -5
The game can be summed by this moment late in second half. We were tailing by 4 i believe with a few mins left. Roy was absolutely begging for the ball. He had fantastic position, and had several inches on his defender. Rivers looked at Roy, pumped the ball over his head a few times, and passed it to the top of the arc. Roy reposted, once again established great position, and Wright looked at Hibbert, pumped the ball over his head a few times. Ignoring Roy, he gave the ball to Dajuan instead, who drove into a trap, let the shot clock get down to 1, then attempted a bogus off balance leaner, which was blocked while still in Dajuan's hands(jump ball- Davidson).
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 23, 2008 16:38:04 GMT -5
I was used to seeing Hibbert get two quick cheap fouls. The third and fourth surprised me. JT III marched out on the court and probably should have been T-d up but I suppose refs figured they just screwed him, or they got a call from the NCAA after the Stanford nonsense and were told not to throw out coaches.
If there was a "half empty" word to use to describe the Hoyas this year it would have been "uninspiring." There were very few streaks - ironically the quarters and semis of the Big East provided two such streaks - where the team seemed to put it all together even as they ran off so many wins. The prospect of back to back games against Wisconsin and Kansas didn't make me think GU was going to San Antonio this season.
JT III is a genius coach; watching a game on a PC doesn't lend itself to an analysis of substitution patterns, I am curious as to other folks thoughts as to what went wrong in terms of match ups and shot selection - or lack thereof.
GU is back, hopefully the coach is here for a while, and the current seniors, all of them, deserve gratitude for bringing GU back to a point where when the team loses it is national news.
I know the size of the lead that GU lost was large and that makes it groundbreaking. But this is nothing compared to Villanova in 85 or Duke in 89 folks, or even Providence in 87 or Ohio State last year. All those teams had what it took to win the national championship.
This one didn't.
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Post by jagtrader on Mar 23, 2008 16:38:43 GMT -5
Davidson won. Good for them. But Hibbert wasn't allowed to play and that's a shame. Three offensive fouls. Two fighting for position in the low block. Just a crime. There's little place for a legit center in college ball any more, which is why I watch less and less of it. Refs are all about the guards and the forwards masquerading as centers.
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