Boz
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Post by Boz on Jul 6, 2012 8:59:59 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 24, 2012 8:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 29, 2012 21:55:54 GMT -5
Ok. Global Warming is happening. Now, considering that most of the suggested solutions involving making decisions that will effect the lives of hundreds of millions of people and have huge consequences (some intended, many unintended) on our economy, perhaps policy makers shouldn't dismiss this part of Muller's op-ed as quickly as Robinson did. "How much of the warming is due to humans and what will be the likely effects? We made no independent assessment of that. " Now it seems Muller has made an independent assessment of exactly that. In his new statement, Muller said, "Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause." Ex-climate change skeptic: Humans cause global warming
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Aug 7, 2012 12:33:12 GMT -5
Richard Muller's interview with Fareed Zakaria. "There is broad scientific agreement global warming is happening and that humans are at least partially to blame. But there are some important scientific skeptics. Last month, in the New York Times, one of the most important of them did a public about-face. Richard Muller, a physicist at the University of California at Berkeley, now says it’s real and humans are almost entirely to blame. Here’s his conversation with Fareed Zakaria from the latest episode of GPS." globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/07/how-a-global-warming-skeptic-came-to-change-his-mind/?hpt=hp_bn2
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 7, 2012 13:18:12 GMT -5
From the WSJ: online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444320704577569231537988226.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopKrupp has some very good points--conservatives / Republicans need to figure out some alternative proposals on this issue that don't require huge new government bureaucracies / or big tax increases (though folding a carbon tax into a larger tax reform might work, although that might be too regressive). It'd be nice to see a Paul Ryan type step up here with a good alternative to the status quo
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 9, 2012 14:44:40 GMT -5
From the NY Times: www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/world/asia/incentive-to-slow-climate-change-drives-output-of-harmful-gases.htmlNineteen chemical-manufacturing companies, mostly in China and India, "have profited handsomely from an unlikely business: churning out more harmful coolant gas so they can be paid to destroy its waste byproduct. The high output keeps the prices of the coolant gas irresistibly low, discouraging air-conditioning companies from switching to less-damaging alternative gases. That means, critics say, that United Nations subsidies intended to improve the environment are instead creating their own damage." "Each plant has probably earned, on average, $20 million to $40 million a year from simply destroying waste gas ... Some Chinese producers have said that if the payments were to end, they would vent gas skyward. Such releases are illegal in most developed countries, but still permissible in China and India. " They should have skipped carbon credit exchanges and gone straight for indulgences.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 15, 2012 7:46:45 GMT -5
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 15, 2012 10:16:50 GMT -5
LOLOLOL, the Daily Mail.
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Oct 15, 2012 10:22:53 GMT -5
Hmm, I too will agree all other data and just believe this chart.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Oct 15, 2012 10:24:53 GMT -5
Why LOLOLOL Daily Mail? I mean if you want to say "LOLOLOL new data" or "LOLOLOL Professor Judith Curry," that'd be one thing. But "LOLOLOL Daily Mail" makes no sense.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 15, 2012 10:40:00 GMT -5
All you who are poking fun at the article: do you dispute the graph? If so, show a data chart that differs.
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Post by quickplay on Oct 15, 2012 11:31:07 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 15, 2012 11:43:07 GMT -5
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 15, 2012 12:23:33 GMT -5
Ed, I'll give you credit for fighting the good fight. I suggest you try to pick fights you have a shot at winning, however. This one is a loser.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 15, 2012 13:18:57 GMT -5
Ed, I'll give you credit for fighting the good fight. I suggest you try to pick fights you have a shot at winning, however. This one is a loser. If that's the case, then you should as the mods to lock up this thread.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 15, 2012 13:27:26 GMT -5
I'm never an advocate for locking a thread. Denying global warming just seems odd to me, like the creationists' view of human origins.
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Post by Boz on Oct 15, 2012 14:29:22 GMT -5
I'm never an advocate for locking a thread. Denying global warming just seems odd to me, like the creationists' view of human origins. Actually, those are not at all similar. In virtually any way.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 15, 2012 14:30:43 GMT -5
I'm never an advocate for locking a thread. Denying global warming just seems odd to me, like the creationists' view of human origins. Actually, those are not at all similar. In virtually any way. Box, clearly you're just not enlightened enough to see how they're related.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 15, 2012 14:42:57 GMT -5
Actually, those are not at all similar. In virtually any way. You mean, other than the fact that they are both odd to me? Box, clearly you're just not enlightened enough to see how they're related. BTW, kc, is Box related to Boz, a frequent poster to this and other HoyaTalk forums?
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Oct 15, 2012 14:55:38 GMT -5
Well, OK. Fair enough. If they are both odd to you, then yes, they are similar in that way.
It kinda' sorta' seemed like you were drawing a little more equivalence than that, though. Just my hunch.
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