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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 9:06:51 GMT -5
Agree with Jack, 100%.
If I'm an out-of-towner with seasons tix and am forced to dump a few games here or there, you bet your ass I'm selling them on StubHub or eBay or the like. If HoyaTalk or another Hoya-centric avenue gives that return, fantastic. But if its a UConn, WVU or Notre Dame fan on StubHub willing to pay three times face value, we have a winner.
Its my (hypothetical) wallet. If selling a few games I can't use helps me pay the balance of the seasons tickets package or fund a trip to the BET, I'm all for it.
EDIT: If it is a meaningless mid-week game against a nobody opponent and I can only make a few bucks here or there, then I'd obviously take a small hit to "donate" them to the Athletic Department or whatever organization is in charge of that.
My pro-selling stance is for games in which you can actually pocket some legitimate cash.
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Post by jerseyshorehoya on Feb 25, 2008 9:19:38 GMT -5
If I can't get rid of them on this board, I generally donate the tickets I can't use back to the school (as Dan indicated) and take the tax write-off. At least I know that the tickets will end up in the right hands, and not in the hands of cusefaninvt.
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 25, 2008 9:25:06 GMT -5
A few points that sort of encapsulate how I feel about this:
1. Home court advantage matters. I'm cooler with putting tickets up on StubHub for the St. John's or American games than UConn.
If enough people sell to a school that has a good chance of winning (like Louisville), you're hurting Georgetown's chances of winning. If you saw the Memphis-Tennessee game, notice how few pockets of orange there were. The Memphis crowd for the Hoya game gave them a significant home court advantage.
I know that I'm in an easy position because I live in the area and can make all the games with relative ease. But I don't think that anyone can deny that passing your tickets to a Cardinals fan will, if ever so slightly, hurt GU's chances of winning.
2. But there's a caveat. I have been successful enough in my career that I don't desperately need the additional funds that StubHub would provide. If you're a young alum and trying to get through law school or on your first GS-11 or congressional staff job, the above doesn't apply.
3. If you live outside the area and have season tickets, please either donate the ones you don't use or work out an arrangement with someone in the area who will use them who won't root for the opposition.
4. Hoyamarketing and everybody else associated with Georgetown - please consider, even when working in the bounds of the StubHub deal, setting up something to allow people to resell their tickets to guaranteed Hoya fans. The ticket board here is a start.
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 25, 2008 9:32:24 GMT -5
Has anyone pointed out yet that HOYA fans are also likely to be the folks purchasing tickets on Stubhub? Right now I'm looking for a single ticket for a friend who will be in town for that game who is a fan. And I know that the two seats next to us have been filled all season by assorted couples who bought the tickets on Stubhub and are, generally, Hoyas fans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 9:34:07 GMT -5
4. Hoyamarketing and everybody else associated with Georgetown - please consider, even when working in the bounds of the StubHub deal, setting up something to allow people to resell their tickets to guaranteed Hoya fans. The ticket board here is a start. I just don't know that it's possible to guarantee that tickets will get into the hands of GU fans. Even if someone goes through the current system, all it takes to be a Hoop Club member is a $25 donation. If a rival fan is marginally savvy, they can figure it out, call the Athletic Department, confirm that they are a Hoop Club member, and request tickets. Granted, being at the $25 donation level isn't likely to get you good tickets for the best games, but it'll at least get tickets most of the time.
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Post by Jack on Feb 25, 2008 9:36:26 GMT -5
I am not sure where this massive flood of red-clad Cardinals fans is going to be coming from for the Louisville game. I don't really think of DC as a hotbed for Louisville alumni. I am sure there are more L'ville alums in DC than Georgetown alums in L'ville, and Georgetown will never achieve a gray-out, but even without the full student section I am fairly confident the Hoyas will have the crowd for this one.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 25, 2008 9:47:01 GMT -5
The donation thing is sweet, but the University needs to set up its own stubhub for Hoop Club members.
Here's why: generally, when coming from out of town for big games, out of town HHC members get CRAPPY seats. Away games are different, but when I came into town last year for the Marquette game, it was 400s. And I ordered early and all that.
Now, if I could have gotten sweet lower bowl seats, I would have paid for them. But I didn't feel like doing ebay or whatever, I just wanted the relative certainty of the HHC. So there's a void.
I'd have the University set up a system where bidding on tickets is closed to everyone but HHC members until about a week before the game. Then the tickets can be donated or go on stub hub.
The result: Ticket owners still get at least face; more Hoya fans; University gets a cut on resale; out of town fans actually get a HHC benefit!
Sure, it doesn't cover every ticket -- those last minute I can't make its don't really work but it is better than nothing.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 25, 2008 9:47:26 GMT -5
To address exorcist's point about negative effect on home court advantage, if all 144 seats on the list from Stubhub in the first post in this thread end up in the hands of Louisville fans and that adversely changes the homecourt advantage, then our home fan base is serving some weak sauce indeed.
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 25, 2008 10:10:39 GMT -5
Yes, it's possible to game the system. Yes, Louisville probably isn't going to bring a large contigent.
I'll make an argument - a weak argument, but an argument. Home court isn't going to favor Louisville. The more Louisville fans there are, however, the weaker GU's advantage is. Memphis was so loud and pro-Tiger that I couldn't hear any other Hoya fans during cheers.
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Post by Jack on Feb 25, 2008 10:22:07 GMT -5
I was at Memphis too- we ain't gonna be able to do that until Georgetown becomes a state school and the federal government leaves town and takes the alumni of every other school with it. Among the east coast urban schools in the conference, Georgetown has probably the second best home court advantage, and is closing fast on Villanova- this year I imagine almost equal to their Wachovia crowds, but certainly not as strong as their Pavillion crowds. Of course the other way of saying this is that Georgetown has a better home court advantage than SJU, SHU, and PC, which is not saying too much.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 25, 2008 10:24:35 GMT -5
Cincinnati and Louisville are about equidistant from DC... It's not a difficult drive and DC's a great place to spend a weekend. Especially since it's the first Saturday of their spring break.
I expect we'll see a significant contingent in town to cheer their team on.
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Post by mdhoya97 on Feb 25, 2008 11:16:01 GMT -5
don't know how many UL fans in the dc metro area, but i suspect alot of them would come to DC for this big game, to determien bgi east regular season champion... I am sure fans in the north east would take a trip down for a mid day saturday game. -m
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Post by kghoya on Feb 25, 2008 11:32:14 GMT -5
I know alums in non-DC cities that have season tickets and make it to like 1 or 2 games a year. Does anyone get the point of that? if i were to move i wouldnt give up my season tickets in 111
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Feb 25, 2008 11:33:26 GMT -5
To combine points that have already been made by tables and SF, I bought a ticket for the Louisville game on StubHub early this season because the HHC seats I had for the Marquette game last season stuck me in the 400s.
When I found out I couldn't go to the UL game, I re-sold the ticket on StubHub for a profit. The buyer was a GU alum living in DC. So that's 2 transactions on StubHub, and 2 (possibly 3 if the season-ticket holder is actually a fan) Hoya fans participating.
FWIW, I'm strongly considering joining some classmates' season ticket group next season (classmates, consider this your official notice). After reading the various StubHub discussions on the board this season, and seeing the ridiculous mark-ups on StubHub now that speculators use it heavily, I am convinced that joining a ticket group in which there are more seats than fans is the best option for any out-of-town Hoya fan.
There could even be a thread on the ticket board this summer for people who are looking for others interested in splitting a ticket package.
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Post by The Stig on Feb 25, 2008 11:38:26 GMT -5
Louisville fans probably won't have a huge presence in DC. For one thing they're far away, and Louisville also has a much classier fan base than some of our East Coast rivals, so those who do show up won't grab as much attention as Cuse fans would.
But we have to think of the big picture here. An improved system to get good tickets in the hands of Hoya fans and out of the hands of opposing fans would help us a lot next year.
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 25, 2008 11:58:29 GMT -5
I think this point has been made before, but it bears worth repeating: having a few opposing fans scattered throughout the lower bowl when we're good (and having a decent contingent down below when we're not) is the price we pay for having a large venue that allows the bulk of fans who want season tickets to have reasonable seats close to the action. I think it is worth it.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Feb 25, 2008 12:51:16 GMT -5
I don't mind having opposing fans in the arena - just up in the 400 section where they belong and I can't really hear them. I realize that's part of having games at Verizon. But I think as the game approaches more Louisville fans will be picking up these tickets because its a good weekend, its spring break, and there are always alumni of any school in government jobs, in addition Louisville is not that far of a drive for fans with a shot at the Big East title to drive for the game, and most Georgetown fans already have tickets to the game.
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 25, 2008 14:00:00 GMT -5
The way I see it, we'll likely have to play Louisville a week later on a legitimate neutral court, so this will just be a nice warmup in a more friendly environment.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 25, 2008 18:33:40 GMT -5
Memphis lost to Tennessee despite the advantage...
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 25, 2008 18:34:51 GMT -5
I don't mind having opposing fans in the arena - just up in the 400 section where they belong and I can't really hear them. I realize that's part of having games at Verizon. But I think as the game approaches more Louisville fans will be picking up these tickets because its a good weekend, its spring break, and there are always alumni of any school in government jobs, in addition Louisville is not that far of a drive for fans with a shot at the Big East title to drive for the game, and most Georgetown fans already have tickets to the game. Having done it, it is actually further than you would imagine.
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