prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 29, 2008 21:08:51 GMT -5
What's the status on Nikita's redshirt? If DaJuan is out for weeks, we may need his size this season.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 29, 2008 22:31:52 GMT -5
and in that vein, what's the procedure for obtaining non medical redshirt. Do there need to be special circumstance to obtain one, or do you just have to have not played in too many games and you get one no questions asked if you want one?
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Jan 29, 2008 22:33:45 GMT -5
Also, does the fact that Nikita served a suspension factor in? It would seem strange if he could serve his suspension while he was redshirting
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Post by hoyastrong on Jan 29, 2008 22:35:24 GMT -5
"In Soviet Russia, redshirt wears you!"
He's still having trouble with English... the status of the redshirt doesn't matter, he's not gonna contribute much if he can't understand the offense.
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harlemhoya
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Post by harlemhoya on Jan 30, 2008 0:10:47 GMT -5
This kid will never contribute meaningful minutes.........
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hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jan 30, 2008 0:21:58 GMT -5
This kid will never contribute meaningful minutes......... I vehemently disagree with what you say and that you say it in such a matter-of-fact manner. Granted, he's not ready today and probably won't be ready for major minutes at the start of next season either. But he has a very, very smooth shoot from deep and having seen him in Kenner, he isn't *quite* as unathletic as you may assume. He actually made some very good moves. And his teammates continue to say he has one of, if not the, sweetest shots on the team. He's undoubtedly a project, but I think there is a DEFINITE chance that he ends up contributing in a couple years. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 30, 2008 0:40:36 GMT -5
Not saying anything bad about this kid (I hope he does someday start) and I have never seen him play, but remember Sead won a 3pt contest at midnight madness...having a sweet stroke isn't everything. You need to be able to understand our system and unless JTIII has been able to translate it into Russian (or w/e language Nikita speaks) he will have to work hard to learn it.
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harlemhoya
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Post by harlemhoya on Jan 30, 2008 1:31:52 GMT -5
he isn't *quite* as unathletic as you may assume.
Where is this coming from?
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hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jan 30, 2008 1:50:26 GMT -5
he isn't *quite* as unathletic as you may assume. Where is this coming from? If you don't think he is unathletic, I apologize for putting words in your mouth. If you mean 'what are you basing this on,' I am basing my opinion off of watching him play seven or so Kenner League games and two scrimmages I watched in Yates early this fall. |
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jacko
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Post by jacko on Jan 30, 2008 9:08:27 GMT -5
See, some people are optimists, and some people are pessimists. The people at Kenner League this summer will have a better idea of Nikita's wide open, run-and-gun game than I do (not that that even matters for the regular season), but rather than saying he won't do anything in four (or five?) years, I tend to think that events I've yet to witness will play out in a way that I'm not perfectly capable of predicting (pretty obvious, right?). Now, predictions are a big part of what we do on this board, but keep two things in mind:
1. harlemhoya and mrsixer123, if they aren't the same person, didn't think last year's team would amount to a hill of beans. From what I've seen, they've been quick to rush to judgment in a negative way, and that's just their style.
2. To write such an outrageous statement followed by an ellipsis of almost 10 periods is obviously an attempt to start some sort of flame war - I see it as an openly antagonistic post. No basis in knowledge - just pure antagonism.
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guru
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Post by guru on Jan 30, 2008 11:44:51 GMT -5
This kid will never contribute meaningful minutes......... harlemhoya - on what are you basing this truly insightful analysis of his game? Have you seen him play? I agree it seems like a total bait of a post - and maybe I'm stepping right into the trap - but can you give a more substantive evaluation of his game and why you don't think it would earn him minutes as a Hoya? |
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turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 30, 2008 12:18:10 GMT -5
if there is no talent why red-shirt him? shouldn't that be enough of a clue as to what the people who see him play every day think of his game?
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Jan 30, 2008 12:26:40 GMT -5
if there is no talent why red-shirt him? shouldn't that be enough of a clue as to what the people who see him play every day think of his game? I don't think its his basketball skills that need work, I think its his English skills. Hard to be an intergrated part in our offense when you can't understand what the coach is saying. |
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Post by dajuan on Jan 30, 2008 12:30:04 GMT -5
if there is no talent why red-shirt him? shouldn't that be enough of a clue as to what the people who see him play every day think of his game? I don't think its his basketball skills that need work, I think its his English skills. Hard to be an intergrated part in our offense when you can't understand what the coach is saying. If language is the real barrier, then maybe we should get him this: www.rosettastone.com/offer/googlepage/eng |
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turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 30, 2008 12:35:18 GMT -5
OK - I am foreigner and I might be taking this a little too personally, but if:
A) You spent a year in High School in the US
B) Was accepted to Georgetown and
C) Are not failing out of Georgetown
Chances are that your English is good enough to communicate with your coach. There is a huge distinction between not getting the english spoken by your buddies when they are shooting the sh*t with you (I have TONS of first hand stories which in retrospect are pretty hilarious) and not understanding your coach when he is teaching you where to cut and where to stand. Nikita missed the first 10 games and probably never got a chance to get up to speed on the system at game pace. But to say that English is a problem is pretty ridiculous.
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paranoya
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Post by paranoya on Jan 30, 2008 12:41:26 GMT -5
if there is no talent why red-shirt him? shouldn't that be enough of a clue as to what the people who see him play every day think of his game? I don't think its his basketball skills that need work, I think its his English skills. Hard to be an intergrated part in our offense when you can't understand what the coach is saying. It would also be very hard to get passing grades at an elite institution if he was that bad at english. I dont buy the not knowing the language and therefore the system excuse. I think with sports language is not always a barrier because if a player doesnt understand something you can always show it to him. Every sport is its own international language. I'm not trying to trivialize learning a new language but I just don't buy it as the reason Nikita is/will have a hard time with our system. Also didnt he go to HS in the states, shouldnt he have some sort of grasp on english? EDIT: haha you beat me to it turbo. |
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Jan 30, 2008 12:47:28 GMT -5
If he was suspended for those 10 games, couldn't he still qualify for a redshirt? If he had played those 10 games and then got injured, he could have gotten a medical redshirt (see Devendorf, Eric). If the rules are the same, and I have no idea if they are, then arguably, he should be able to get one.
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Post by hoyastrong on Jan 30, 2008 14:40:25 GMT -5
OK - I am foreigner and I might be taking this a little too personally, but if: A) You spent a year in High School in the US B) Was accepted to Georgetown and C) Are not failing out of Georgetown Chances are that your English is good enough to communicate with your coach. There is a huge distinction between not getting the english spoken by your buddies when they are shooting the sh*t with you (I have TONS of first hand stories which in retrospect are pretty hilarious) and not understanding your coach when he is teaching you where to cut and where to stand. Nikita missed the first 10 games and probably never got a chance to get up to speed on the system at game pace. But to say that English is a problem is pretty ridiculous. Sorry, I hope you're not taking offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about. The English has been a well known problem for quite some time now (even before the suspension), and for you to say thats rediculous just because of some personal anecdotes is pretty rediculous in itself. It's not my speculation, it's fact. |
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 30, 2008 14:47:40 GMT -5
hoyastrong, have you spoken with Nikita before or do you personally know anyone who has and can attest to his poor language skills? (And I don't mean your girlfriends roomates tennis coach's assistant's sister, or I have heard "people" say that)
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jan 30, 2008 15:00:28 GMT -5
I've seen rumors on this board, but no "facts." I also agree with turbo that it is a bit difficult to believe that language is the main problem.
I still have no idea why Nikita went to the scorer's table in his first game, but then got called back.
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