theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 22, 2008 16:32:19 GMT -5
I know that this was posted almost a week ago (prior to the ND and Cuse wins), and I know that I give people a hard time for complaining about GU being a #2 seed and playing Sam Houston State in the first round in a top-heavy West regional, but this is just ridiculous. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bubblewatch?id=64Fifteen teams are locks, and GU is not among them. Saint Mary's is a fricking lock! So is Xavier! and Dayton! and Wisconsin! And Georgetown, with two losses to Memphis at Pitt, isn't? All BETTER be fixed when this next comes out, and I know that this doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but it just annoys me. Whew. I feel better.
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royski
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Post by royski on Jan 22, 2008 16:38:30 GMT -5
We haven't beaten anybody. Its based on body of work to date. We have 2 wins over borderline NCAA teams.
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Post by I Bleed Hoya Gray on Jan 22, 2008 16:39:48 GMT -5
This was from before the two games this weekend, but still...
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 22, 2008 16:45:52 GMT -5
I find this column to be completely idiotic. In the last version of this Georgetown and Marquette were locks. How can you go from being a lock to not being one? They never should have put us in the lock column in the last one if there was any foreseeable way in which we could fall out of it. Doesn't being a lock imply that there is pretty much no way in which you can miss the Tournament? In that case, no one should be a lock until about Mid way through the conference season.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Jan 22, 2008 16:54:46 GMT -5
wow maybe the hoyas can sneak in as a 10 seed and shock some folks...
i have a feeling that if you went around and asked coaches from all over the country to name 3 schools you would really like to avoid playing in the ncaa tournament...the hoyas would easily be one of the top vote getters
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Jan 22, 2008 16:59:34 GMT -5
If our tournament resume is unsafe, I guess we should just win our conference to be safe
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Jan 22, 2008 17:33:37 GMT -5
I agree with being on the bubble, because we are surely not a lock at this point. Last season cuse' was 10-6 in the Big East, with 2 wins over top 20 teams, and they were snubbed. Thus far we haven't defeated a top 25 team, and in our two opportunities have been whooped. On the plus side, both of those games were on the road.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 22, 2008 17:40:12 GMT -5
On the bubble? I don't think the term bubble should even be used until about mid-february. There are so many games left to be played that it just doesn't make sense to use that word. So are you saying that if the season ended today you would be uncertain about whether we would make the tournament? At 15-2 overall and 5-1 in conference, which is good for 1st place, you would say we are on the bubble? You certainly have the right to your opinion, but I think it's insane.
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dchoyafan
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Post by dchoyafan on Jan 22, 2008 18:15:51 GMT -5
In the last version of this Georgetown and Marquette were locks. How can you go from being a lock to not being one? They never should have put us in the lock column in the last one if there was any foreseeable way in which we could fall out of it. Doesn't being a lock imply that there is pretty much no way in which you can miss the Tournament? In that case, no one should be a lock until about Mid way through the conference season. Haha - too true!
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 22, 2008 20:18:59 GMT -5
Kansas hasnt beaten a top 25 team yet either. Please stop with the silliness.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Jan 22, 2008 21:23:03 GMT -5
Yes they did, on Dec 2 vs USC
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 22, 2008 21:27:21 GMT -5
Yes they did, on Dec 2 vs USC Well, they haven't beaten a team that is currently ranked. Although USC managed to upset UCLA they are still only 11-6 overall and 2-3 in the Pac-10, still far from a legit Top 25 team. They were only ranked before because of OJ Mayo hype.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 22, 2008 21:32:20 GMT -5
Are we really having a bubble argument about the merits of the first place team in the Big East and the #12 RPI team?
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 22, 2008 21:41:41 GMT -5
Are we really having a bubble argument about the merits of the first place team in the Big East and the #12 RPI team? Seriously, I don't know how anyone in their right mind could even think about using the term bubble when talking about our team right now.
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hoyatables
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Post by hoyatables on Jan 22, 2008 21:55:02 GMT -5
Heh. This thread made me laugh.
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PDRHoya99
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Jan 22, 2008 22:11:34 GMT -5
Bubble watch did make a point to say at the top they were including more teams in the "should be in" and "work left to do" in order to have write ups on them, so in many ways, they are really just giving us more coverage on the Hoyas. Of course, as is always the case with this board, when we don't get coverage we complain about being slighted; when we get coverage, we also complain.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 22, 2008 23:01:06 GMT -5
Yes they did, on Dec 2 vs USC Well, they haven't beaten a team that is currently ranked. Although USC managed to upset UCLA they are still only 11-6 overall and 2-3 in the Pac-10, still far from a legit Top 25 team. They were only ranked before because of OJ Mayo hype. Thank you. USC may turn out to be the better team, but by stats, you cant say they are any better than UConn or Syracuse. Oops, I guess Tennessee is on the bubble now. They lost to 9-9 Kentucky...
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 22, 2008 23:12:47 GMT -5
I think any exercise in determining who is a "lock" to make the tournament this early in the year is absurd.
That being said, there are two ways of defining a lock; we fit one definition, but not the other.
1) A team that certainly will be in the tournament if the season ended now. 2) A team that certainly will be in the tournament even if they lose the rest of their games.
By definition 1, we are a lock (1st in the Big East, #12 RPI). By definition 2, we are not, because at this point in the season, nobody is. Which brings me back to my initial point; the absurdity of Bubble Watch in January.
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ichirohoya
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Post by ichirohoya on Jan 23, 2008 2:14:49 GMT -5
Bubble Watch is a classic example of one of the big problems plaguing espn these days...not enough stories.
I can't believe i'm saying this, but, i wish espn would devote more time to covering the nhl and womens basketball and less time running tabloid photos of tom brady's feet and idiotic projections for a tournament that is still half a season away.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 23, 2008 7:55:12 GMT -5
I like Bubble Watch. It's a heck of a lot more valuable than Bracketology, since it legitimately asks where teams stand relative to others (which can be predicted with reasonable accuracy) rather than placing them somewhere (which is heavily dependent on conference tournament results and other items and is thus relatively impossible to predict). And I understand why Georgetown isn't a lock, since our nonconference strength of schedule is pretty bad and we don't have one signature win.
It's just two things. First is that you don't move from being a lock to a "should be in" on the basis of a loss at a team that's already a lock that wins 90% of their games at home. The other is that some curious teams are locks.
Xavier had four losses when this came out and one win over a really good team (Indiana). In their four losses, one was to a ranked team (Tennessee). One was a blowout loss to Arizona State, one loss was to Temple. They have three good wins aside from that (home versus Kansas State and Virginia, away versus Auburn).
Part of this seems to be a desire to write and possibly go out in front if GU collapses down the stretch. It's just kind of frustrating.
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