mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 16, 2008 13:52:06 GMT -5
OK, i purposely did not post a few days (cooling off period) after driving in the vicious snow mountains for the Pitt game, but here are my thoughts 3 feet from our bench:
1. Jwall seems to have lost his killer instinct recently. maybe it was just this game, but his body language was terrible on the bench. he did not have the fire i have grown to expect from him. even if his shot was not falling, i expect him to attempt to rally his teammates. that did not happen. he just sat there looking as if he felt bad for himself
2. Austin never wants to come out of the game, and i love that!! he barely sat down when he was not in the game as to tell coach, "look, i know i may not be playing my best game, but i want you to put me back in the game, NOW!" there were a few times coach would point to a player near Austin, and he would ask coach "you want me back in there yet?"
3. our 5 man has no one to help with rebounding. last year it seemed that Jeff was always near or in he paint to help Roy or mack with rebounding. this year Dejuan and pat seem to be on the perimeter more than in the paint leaving Roy and Vern to battle for the rebound all by themselves. this can not continue.
4. why rivers continues to get minutes becomes more of a mystery to me every second he is in the game.
5. i, now, agree that jt3 does not do all he can to win certain regular season games, but i sure wish he could have given the 15 or so of us that put our lives on the line to drive to Pitt in that dangerous weather some advance notice
6. Pitt's arena is absolutely gorgeous.
7. when Dejuan's O is not working, his entire game falls apart. it almost seemed as if he did not want to go back in the game before picking up his 5th foul. after the game, he did not even line up to shake hands with pitt, he walked directly into the locker room. totally unacceptable!!
it appears there needs to be some MAJOR attitude adjustments with this team or we will be lucky to make it to the elite 8
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 16, 2008 14:11:32 GMT -5
agree about wallace's lost confidence in this game, but remember that he was something like 15-20 from three in his previous 6 games. he's just going through a cold streak and looked to be hurrying some of those shots vs. pitt. im sure he'll be able to get things turned around at home for the next couple games though.
who do you propose to back up the guards besides rivers? i think we miss wright more than we know at this point. rivers and sapp have both been down for the past few games and a little fire off the bench from wright would be great.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 16, 2008 14:13:51 GMT -5
1. I think attributing character traits to what you see on the bench is a mistake. Wallace looked like he was working his butt off on the court. I'm not saying you are wrong, but you're getting a two hour, distance view of someone without knowing them and completely laying judgement on them.
2. Like that about Austin as well.
3. Summers has been good rebounding in many games and so has Sapp and Ewing has really come on, but overall I agree with you. It isn't Roy who is killing our rebounding. It's the lack of a Jeff (and also Macklin is awful when Roy is out). We got outrebounded by much less than I expected versus Pitt.
4. Rivers was in when we made our big run in the second half. He doesn't add much offensively, but he is no longer a complete liability (made a nice play in that run) and also plays outstanding defense. Who else is going to play backup PG?
7. I didn't watch Summers closely on defense, but 4 rebounds in 24 minutes (not bad, esp. when Pat is playing), 5 assists (which may have been a career high) and only two turnovers isn't exactly not contributing. Five fouls though.
I agree with you on the not shaking hands thing.
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Post by hoyafoeva on Jan 16, 2008 14:14:37 GMT -5
Jonathan Wallace has been showing great signs most of the year so far, he just needs to do what he does best, play smarter because he's very intelligent.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Jan 16, 2008 14:15:40 GMT -5
good observations. i think greens leadership added a lot of intangibles. i think rivers is in because wright is hurt.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 16, 2008 14:31:07 GMT -5
it appears there needs to be some MAJOR attitude adjustments with this team or we will be lucky to make it to the elite 8 I hereby nominate someone with a time machine to head back and post this with the timestamp to Hoyatalk in March 2004.
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Post by RDF on Jan 16, 2008 14:34:45 GMT -5
I'm more crude in my observations (shocker to everyone here right? ) 1. Jeff Green's intangibles were great--but so was he as a player--Great players make plays. 2. Vernon/Roy are responsible for stopping penetration--because guards get beaten off dribble or zone allows easy mid cut to foul line--which Hoyas should be doing on offensive end btw--and center steps up to challenge shot/stop easy layup-and when he does that--leaves both sides of hoop open for offensive rebounds. When you have another big to go with Dajuan--it wasn't as noticeable because 6'9 and 6'8 on glass is plenty big enough. 3. Wallace effort/confidence doesn't seem off--his shot does seem rushed and he's struggling because he's having to do more. Green's role in offense hasn't been replaced--Dajuan isn't quite there--he will be someday hopefully--but he's nowhere near the ball handler/passer yet. That means Sapp/Wallace have to do a lot more. It's a lot easier when you have Jeff/Roy--and can spot up off kick outs and ball movement then being 2nd option on a lot of possessions-which I think shouldn't be case--I'd go Roy/Freeman/Summers/Wallace/Sapp in terms of who I'd like to see shoot in most possessions. 4. This junk about not shaking hands-when did GU start doing this? Apparently Roy's not doing it before games, he's got his T-Shirt "routine" and I just think it's all comical. How about just playing good, tough nosed basketball for 40 minutes as a TEAM. Shaking hands isn't a big deal-but if you aren't going to do it after you stink up the joint-don't be slapping hands after a victory. Be consistents. Personally, I think you owe other team respect for competing hard--but that's not my decision on how kids handle things. 5. Rivers is in game because defensively he's the best guard on the team--and it's not even close--he has a role on this team and he was on court when they cut lead from 12 down to 3--so I had/have no problem with his minutes. He actually pushed the tempo with ball too--and got Hoyas some easy hoops and into their offense early-which I wish the starters would do.
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 16, 2008 14:43:30 GMT -5
agree about wallace's lost confidence in this game, but remember that he was something like 15-20 from three in his previous 6 games. he's just going through a cold streak and looked to be hurrying some of those shots vs. pitt. im sure he'll be able to get things turned around at home for the next couple games though. who do you propose to back up the guards besides rivers? i think we miss wright more than we know at this point. rivers and sapp have both been down for the past few games and a little fire off the bench from wright would be great. 1. yes, we miss chris a great deal!! 2. i would give tyler more minutes
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Post by hoyafoeva on Jan 16, 2008 14:54:54 GMT -5
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS TO CHRIS AND TYLER
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jan 16, 2008 14:56:45 GMT -5
Rivers has become useless on offense lately, and he probably accumulates fewer stats per minute than anybody who gets major run in the Big East (every game is 18 minutes, 2 points, 1 board, 1 assist). But he's good on defense, and we literally don't have any other options for a backup PG - so he's gotta play.
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Post by vcjack on Jan 16, 2008 15:00:35 GMT -5
I remember it being pointed out earlier in the year that Jeremiah had cut out the unecessary spin move after crossing the time line, but in his first series in the Pitt game he reverted to his spin. His confidence isn't great right now, hopefully it can come back on Saturday in a game that will be dominated by guard play
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Post by hoyaderm1 on Jan 16, 2008 15:08:22 GMT -5
I know Jeremiah doesn't look to score much, but he is 9/15 on threes this season. Nothing wrong with 60%, just need him to fire them up a little more often.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Jan 16, 2008 15:13:23 GMT -5
I know Jeremiah doesn't look to score much, but he is 9/15 on threes this season. Nothing wrong with 60%, just need him to fire them up a little more often. ummm..no we dont
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 16, 2008 15:48:19 GMT -5
1. I think attributing character traits to what you see on the bench is a mistake. Wallace looked like he was working his butt off on the court. I'm not saying you are wrong, but you're getting a two hour, distance view of someone without knowing them and completely laying judgement on them. 2. Like that about Austin as well. 3. Summers has been good rebounding in many games and so has Sapp and Ewing has really come on, but overall I agree with you. It isn't Roy who is killing our rebounding. It's the lack of a Jeff (and also Macklin is awful when Roy is out). We got outrebounded by much less than I expected versus Pitt. 4. Rivers was in when we made our big run in the second half. He doesn't add much offensively, but he is no longer a complete liability (made a nice play in that run) and also plays outstanding defense. Who else is going to play backup PG? 7. I didn't watch Summers closely on defense, but 4 rebounds in 24 minutes (not bad, esp. when Pat is playing), 5 assists (which may have been a career high) and only two turnovers isn't exactly not contributing. Five fouls though. I agree with you on the not shaking hands thing. 1. you may be right, but if i am a player, i do not want to see a senior leader making faces and having his shoulders slumped on the bench. 2. rivers was also in the game during the run when instead of slowing the O down and getting a good shot, we rushed the O, pitt grabbed the boards and the game was over. the gym was completely silenced when pat made his two great plays only to have the guards rush the ball up and allow pitt to get the momentum back!!
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 16, 2008 15:55:06 GMT -5
I know Jeremiah doesn't look to score much, but he is 9/15 on threes this season. Nothing wrong with 60%, just need him to fire them up a little more often. i COMPLETELY disagree with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 16, 2008 16:02:31 GMT -5
it appears there needs to be some MAJOR attitude adjustments with this team or we will be lucky to make it to the elite 8 I hereby nominate someone with a time machine to head back and post this with the timestamp to Hoyatalk in March 2004. the post would be bashed greatly as no one would believe we could make it to the 2nd round, let alone the elite 8........................
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Post by Hoya TMF on Jan 16, 2008 16:15:42 GMT -5
Jeff plays for the Sonics now. Last year is over and it was great. We went to the final four for the first time in22 years. This Hoyas team, however, has the ability to bring a National Title back to Georgetown.
Roy Hibbert IS a great player and has shown an ability to make great plays both little and big. He dives on the floor for loose balls and makes great passes that lead to points. He drains game winning three pointers in spite of being 7'2".
I think Jon is going to find his shot as the season comes along. DaJaun is more of an X-factor because he seems very frustrated in his role. He is guarding bigger and stronger guys than he has had to before because he is playing out of his natural small forward position.
In order for us to win, Summers is going to have to play bigger on offense and defense. He is going to have to move to the high post and hit that free throw jumper when we get zoned. I have liked his passing ability the last few games. I imagine it will be frustrating for him this year, but JTIII is going to have to work hard to help DaJuan max out his talent. Most power forwards in college basketball are his size and he has a more advanced skill set than most of them. Hopefully we will see a change in him; I think our season depends on it.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 16, 2008 16:15:48 GMT -5
I'm more crude in my observations (shocker to everyone here right? ) 1. Jeff Green's intangibles were great--but so was he as a player--Great players make plays. 2. Vernon/Roy are responsible for stopping penetration--because guards get beaten off dribble or zone allows easy mid cut to foul line--which Hoyas should be doing on offensive end btw--and center steps up to challenge shot/stop easy layup-and when he does that--leaves both sides of hoop open for offensive rebounds. When you have another big to go with Dajuan--it wasn't as noticeable because 6'9 and 6'8 on glass is plenty big enough. 3. Wallace effort/confidence doesn't seem off--his shot does seem rushed and he's struggling because he's having to do more. Green's role in offense hasn't been replaced--Dajuan isn't quite there--he will be someday hopefully--but he's nowhere near the ball handler/passer yet. That means Sapp/Wallace have to do a lot more. It's a lot easier when you have Jeff/Roy--and can spot up off kick outs and ball movement then being 2nd option on a lot of possessions-which I think shouldn't be case--I'd go Roy/Freeman/Summers/Wallace/Sapp in terms of who I'd like to see shoot in most possessions. 4. This junk about not shaking hands-when did GU start doing this? Apparently Roy's not doing it before games, he's got his T-Shirt "routine" and I just think it's all comical. How about just playing good, tough nosed basketball for 40 minutes as a TEAM. Shaking hands isn't a big deal-but if you aren't going to do it after you stink up the joint-don't be slapping hands after a victory. Be consistent. Personally, I think you owe other team respect for competing hard--but that's not my decision on how kids handle things. 5. Rivers is in game because defensively he's the best guard on the team--and it's not even close--he has a role on this team and he was on court when they cut lead from 12 down to 3--so I had/have no problem with his minutes. He actually pushed the tempo with ball too--and got Hoyas some easy hoops and into their offense early-which I wish the starters would do. 4. it actually appeared as if dajuan was about to pull a randy moss and walk off the floor before the clock expired!! i was 3 feet away so this is no exaggeration!!!! i want as much God given talent as the next fan, but i am not about to start accepting crap like this. i sure hope jt3 BLASTED him for his actions. 5. i believe Tyler can be just as effective defensively, if not better than rivers b/c his foot speed is superior.
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Post by Boz on Jan 16, 2008 16:21:04 GMT -5
4. it actually appeared as if dajuan was about to pull a randy moss and walk off the floor before the clock expired!! i was 3 feet away so this is no exaggeration!!!! i want as much God given talent as the next fan, but i am not about to start accepting crap like this. i sure hope jt3 BLASTED him for his actions. 5. i believe Tyler can be just as effective defensively, if not better than rivers b/c his foot speed is superior. all i am going to say is politics plays a role in everything! Oh Lord, here we go. Was that last sentence necessary? Criticism is fine, that's just rumor-mongering (without basis, I might add).
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 16, 2008 16:24:22 GMT -5
4. it actually appeared as if dajuan was about to pull a randy moss and walk off the floor before the clock expired!! i was 3 feet away so this is no exaggeration!!!! i want as much God given talent as the next fan, but i am not about to start accepting crap like this. i sure hope jt3 BLASTED him for his actions. 5. i believe Tyler can be just as effective defensively, if not better than rivers b/c his foot speed is superior. all i am going to say is politics plays a role in everything! Oh Lord, here we go. Was that last sentence necessary? Criticism is fine, that's just rumor-mongering (without basis, I might add). ok, i removed the last sentence. i do believe it has merit
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