Raff and Bilas

[FOTP]

They just gave us some nice props during the UCONN/SHU game. Although Bilas used the word "long" at least six times in 1 minute talking about the Hoyas. He gave props to Green, Hibbert and Bowman ("who is long, athletic and can really shoot it").

Nice to hear some props for JTIII randomly.

I reiterate...JTIII at this point needs to be BE Coach of the Year and start to get some discussion nationally.

[HoyaNyr320]

FOTP.. looks like you beat me by 2 minutes or so... therefore, i'll bump you over my post!

[FOTP]

No problem. It was funny that I'd just wrote about JTIII and they got some props seconds later.

I'll tell you one thing. It looked AMAZING to see the Big East standings and seeing us on the first page. I can't remember the last time.

Our games this week are huge. ND is 3-1 in the Big East too.

Let's go HOYAS!!!

[Jack]

And then Bilas has to go and ruin it by saying Rudy Gay is the best freshman he has seen and not even mention Jeff Green, not that I care what he has to say.

[Simian Prime]

So true...did you hear that crap. "Rudy is the best Frosh in the country" ....

They will see....

[GUHoya07]

Yeah, Rudy Gay isn't even the best freshman in the conference, let alone the country.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

And Jeff doesn't care either ... and that's what makes him a very special player.

[Simian Prime]

Great point!!!!!

[jerseyhoya34]

Given how Rudy has performed and given how one of his fellow freshman has unfortunate health problems, he may be lucky to be the best freshman on his team.

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Despite the fact of his not caring, Jeff still owns Rudy. Rudy is his slave, or masseuse, or indentured servant, or something.

[MCIGuy]

Bilas' comment kind of iiritated me. But then I remembered that he said Gay was the best freshmen he had "seen" and perhaps he just hasn't seen Green yet. Mostly it felt as he was overcompensating to counter Vitale's statement that Marvin Williams is the best freshmen in the country.

What ticked me off the most was Bilas and sean McD pointing out, over Raftery's objection, that now that seton Hall has played the four best BE teams in Pitt, UConn, Cuse and Notre Dame playing the likes of Rutgers, St. John's and Gtown will be much easier.

[alleninxis]

you need to remember Jeff as great as he has been, has been given a great oppurtunity here to start and play 35 min a game. He would struggle for ANY time at Uconn. Gay has beat out players such as Denham Brown for PT. Rudy is the real deal folks, as well as Jeff. They both will be great, I have to think Rudy is the better player. We cant have tunnel vision with NCAA hoops, there are many other freshman playing well.
We need to take things one step at a time, we are 11-4 and very well could be 0-4 in the BE instead of 3-1. I hate to be negative but we are not the hoyas of old all of the sudden. Lets enjoy the wins and be thankful we are exceeding expectations.

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It doesnt matter whether Rudy is good or not. He is still not the best fresham ever. And he is still Jeff's indentured masseuse.

[MCIGuy]

alleninxis said:

you need to remember Jeff as great as he has been, has been given a great oppurtunity here to start and play 35 min a game. He would struggle for ANY time at Uconn. Gay has beat out players such as Denham Brown for PT. Rudy is the real deal folks, as well as Jeff. They both will be great, I have to think Rudy is the better player. We cant have tunnel vision with NCAA hoops, there are many other freshman playing well.
We need to take things one step at a time, we are 11-4 and very well could be 0-4 in the BE instead of 3-1. I hate to be negative but we are not the hoyas of old all of the sudden. Lets enjoy the wins and be thankful we are exceeding expectations.

Hey, most of what you wrote is fine and all but I take exception to conceding that Gay is the better player. Who cares if Gay beat out Brown? Brown has shown UConn fans nothing this season (just ask them). Yes, Green is playing all of those minutes because of necessity and the team therefore relies on him more than UCon doesGay. But ask yourself if Gay could perform under such scrutiny if he was as important piece to the puzzle as Green is. Ask yourself if he could be as consistent. You do understand Green leads the BE in double-doubles don't you? You do understand that Green lit up UConn's frontcourt when GU played the Huskies? I know gay is legit. But I also know that people I trust when it comes to area hoops were insisting way back in the summer of 2003 that Green was just as good (if not better) than Gay. So ask yourself this: if it wasn't for the rankings and the media attention give to Gay; if both he and Green were virtual unknowns coming into college, would you still think Gay was the better player? I'm guessing you are allowing the hype to sway your opinion because iyou certainly can't be going by the evidence that has been presented in actual games. Last of all GU, unlike Uconn, was predicted to be at the bottom of the BE. The fact that they are near the top as of now indicates that Green's impact is greater, at this time, than Gay's.

[SFHoya99]

alleninxis said:

you need to remember Jeff as great as he has been, has been given a great oppurtunity here to start and play 35 min a game. He would struggle for ANY time at Uconn. Gay has beat out players such as Denham Brown for PT. Rudy is the real deal folks, as well as Jeff. They both will be great, I have to think Rudy is the better player. We cant have tunnel vision with NCAA hoops, there are many other freshman playing well.
We need to take things one step at a time, we are 11-4 and very well could be 0-4 in the BE instead of 3-1. I hate to be negative but we are not the hoyas of old all of the sudden. Lets enjoy the wins and be thankful we are exceeding expectations.

As someone who has now seen three games of Rudy and two of Jeff, take this with a grain of salt, but...

...Rudy is more athletic than Jeff and more suited to what GM's want in today's NBA. But if you think that Rudy is a better basketball player than Jeff right now, you're smoking something.

Jeff has a much higher IQ than Rudy, who limits himself to jumpshots and misses 40% of his dunks (ask a UConn fan). He doesn't take smart shots.

Both will be in the NBA some day, and I'm sure Rudy will be very good. But Jeff is the better player today.

[hoyabinx]

MCIGuy said:

Bilas' comment kind of iiritated me. But then I remembered that he said Gay was the best freshmen he had "seen" and perhaps he just hasn't seen Green yet. Mostly it felt as he was overcompensating to counter Vitale's statement that Marvin Williams is the best freshmen in the country.

What ticked me off the most was Bilas and sean McD pointing out, over Raftery's objection, that now that seton Hall has played the four best BE teams in Pitt, UConn, Cuse and Notre Dame playing the likes of Rutgers, St. John's and Gtown will be much easier.

Yeah, that really really ticked me off too. Raftery was trying to explain that the Big East was tough this year in that all teams are capabable of winning, giving the examples of Gtown winning and St. Johns and Rutgers playing teams tough. Bilas just talked over him until Raftery just stopped trying to convey his point. Bilas REALLY was condescending to the idea that Rutgers is a tough game. I used to defend him as the best of the ESPN crew but he is the same really, crap.

[GUHoya07]

One thing MCI- doesn't Josh Boone lead the BE in double-doubles? Maybe you are just referring to freshmen. Otherwise I completely agree with you.

[MCIGuy]

alleninxis said:

We need to take things one step at a time, we are 11-4 and very well could be 0-4 in the BE instead of 3-1. I hate to be negative but we are not the hoyas of old all of the sudden. Lets enjoy the wins and be thankful we are exceeding expectations.

And a few years ago instead of missing out in the tourney with a 9-7 Big East record the Hoyas could have gone 14 and 2 in conference if they had won all of those close losses. But in the end it was not what the Hoya record COULD have been; it was about what the Hoya record actually was. So, yeah, the Hoyas could have easily been 0-4 but the fact remains they are 3 and 1. The Hoyas have nothing to be ashamed of considering they were the under dogs in 3 of the 4 games (including a 9 point underdog at Nova when it was assumed Sumpter would not play), considering that all four BE opponents were picked to finish ahead of the Hoyas; considering that two of the opponents were ranked ; and considering that the Hoyas have won both games that were on the road. Everyone realizes this isn't 1984. But I think people are happy that this team is pulling out wins that they haven't been able to do in a long, long time.

[MCIGuy]

GUHoya2007 said:

One thing MCI- doesn't Josh Boone lead the BE in double-doubles? Maybe you are just referring to freshmen. Otherwise I completely agree with you.

I was going by Barker Davis who wrote that Green led all BE players with five double-doubles. Bowman had four. If my info is wrong blame the guy at the WTimes. ;D

[GUHoya07]

Boone had 9 double-doubles going into tonight and they mentioned that he led the conference during the Uconn-Seton Hall game.