BeantownHoya
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Aug 31, 2006 11:06:12 GMT -5
Post by BeantownHoya on Aug 31, 2006 11:06:12 GMT -5
I know this issue had been discussed in some detail in the Sox/Yanks thread but just interested to see where people stand with about 30 games left. (also I would prefer not to discuss the Redsox).
First off I don't think Manny and Vlad deserve to be on this list, but I was trying fill all 8 poll slots.
Ortiz deserves some recognition for keeping a sox team afloat after the All-Star break, but the teams dreadful tailspin and Ortiz's heart scare will eventually be his downfall.
Jeter has been his usual but this year he has does it when this team desperately needed him the most. Down year for Arod, no Matsui, Shelfield, Cano. Giambi and Damon have certainly been key but not like Jeter, his best offensive season of his career in my mind compared to the situation.
Hafner would be tough to beat if the Indians were even close. I know many won't agree but I do think it's much easier to produce #'s when a win or loss doesn't mean anything.
Anyway I voted for Dye. He has been nothing but spectacular for the Whitesox since July 1st and especially lately with Thome out of the lineup. He has come up big time and again. In addition the whitesox need as much offense as they can get since that is not the same pitching staf we saw last year.
I do believe the whitesox will get the wildcard so my vote was influenced by that. I would think long and hard about Morneau and Mauer if the Twins were win the WC.
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Aug 31, 2006 11:25:20 GMT -5
Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 31, 2006 11:25:20 GMT -5
Anyway I voted for Dye. He has been nothing but spectacular for the Whitesox since July 1st and especially lately with Thome out of the lineup. He has come up big time and again. In addition the whitesox need as much offense as they can get since that is not the same pitching staf we saw last year. I do believe the whitesox will get the wildcard so my vote was influenced by that. I would think long and hard about Morneau and Mauer if the Twins were win the WC. Dye is a shoo-in once the Pale Hose win the AL Central.
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Aug 31, 2006 11:39:07 GMT -5
Post by nodak89 on Aug 31, 2006 11:39:07 GMT -5
Looking at the totals, it's obvious TBird hasn't voted, yet.
I'll let him cast the first Twins vote.
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TBird41
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Aug 31, 2006 13:14:12 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Aug 31, 2006 13:14:12 GMT -5
It's a tough vote for me, since I have to choose b/w Morneau and Mauer, but I have to say that Mauer is the Twins MVP and thus the AL MVP.
This is of course assuming the Twins make the playoffs--I mean, the guy is going to be the first catcher to lead the AL in hitting, he's a top defensive catcher, he has Michael Cuddyer batting behind him and he has the best sideburns in baseball. And if you think that doesn't matter, well, you're wrong.
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nodak89
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Aug 31, 2006 13:21:24 GMT -5
Post by nodak89 on Aug 31, 2006 13:21:24 GMT -5
I'm torn between Mauer-sie and Morneau-sie, too.
It's hard to vote against good defensive catcher who leads the leauge in batting. It would be a no-brainer if he had somewhat better power numbers.
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Aug 31, 2006 15:57:06 GMT -5
Post by hifigator on Aug 31, 2006 15:57:06 GMT -5
I think it should be Mauer but I don't think he will get it. If Ortiz hadn't gotten hurt then I think you could make a strong case for him. His numbers are excellent and that time and again clutch hitting can't be overlooked. But with his injury and the typical red sox slide I think he is most likely out of the running. I think it will probably go to Jeter and he is certainly a worthy candidate, but if you put him in a different uniform but with the exact same stats, I don't think he gets it. In a sense however, he has also been a big clutch hitter. Not to Ortiz' level but when Jeter has A-Rod to contrast with, Jeter is on fire.
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Aug 31, 2006 16:46:03 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Aug 31, 2006 16:46:03 GMT -5
I'm still shocked A-Rod got the MVP last year--not because he wasn't deserving of consideration, but he's now a Yankee. Let's see we've had the
1. We respect Japanese Baseball so much we can't name Hideki Matsui Rookie of the Year but we can name Nomo, Ichiro, and Iguchi.
2. Pat Hentgen over Pettitte for Cy Young
3. Last year's DISGRACE of naming Harpo Marx (Bartolo Colon) over Rivera--I am not saying Mo was more deserving then Santana but Colon? Disgusting.
Yankees get no breaks in voting for awards and not saying they should but it's funny how silly some of these decisions are--especially the Colon/Rivera and Matsui arguments.
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Aug 31, 2006 19:15:14 GMT -5
Post by miamihoya on Aug 31, 2006 19:15:14 GMT -5
great a season as maeur has had, i dont think he is mvp-worthy, simply because most dont even consider him the mvp of his own team. Justin Morneu has a .317 average, with 110 rbi and 32 homers. Those stats should qualify him for the MVP discussion. (I voted for hafner, although i know he wont get it. His season has just been ridiculous).
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Aug 31, 2006 19:30:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2006 19:30:01 GMT -5
Dye or Mauer.
That's about all the Kornheiser-ian analysis I can muster tonight.
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Jack
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Aug 31, 2006 21:20:30 GMT -5
Post by Jack on Aug 31, 2006 21:20:30 GMT -5
Hafner, and it is not even close. Check out VORP
1. Hafner 80 2. Jeter 63.9 3. Ramirez 62.8 4. Dye 61.3 5. Ortiz 60 6. Tejada 59.9 7. Wells 59.3 8. Sizemore 56.3 9. Mauer 55.1 10. Thome 54.7
15. Morneau 43.8
Of course I know Hafner won't win, but he is having the best season at the plate by a wide margin. You think Texas maybe regrets trading him for Einar Diaz and Ryan Drese?
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Aug 31, 2006 21:32:08 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2006 21:32:08 GMT -5
I actually agree, Jack. Was able to see Hafner crush Blue Jay pitching live last night, and I gotta say... he is a sight to behold live.
But I also think the voters are gonna stick with winning/in-the-hunt teams.
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Aug 31, 2006 21:34:42 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Aug 31, 2006 21:34:42 GMT -5
Hafner, and it is not even close. Check out VORP 1. Hafner 80 2. Jeter 63.9 3. Ramirez 62.8 4. Dye 61.3 5. Ortiz 60 6. Tejada 59.9 7. Wells 59.3 8. Sizemore 56.3 9. Mauer 55.1 10. Thome 54.7 15. Morneau 43.8 Of course I know Hafner won't win, but he is having the best season at the plate by a wide margin. You think Texas maybe regrets trading him for Einar Diaz and Ryan Drese? That's if you consider VORP the be all and end all--check out win shares:Mauer-26 Ramirez-26 Jeter-25 Hafner-23 Ortiz-22 Thome-22 Giambi-22 Dye-22 www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/2004-win-shares-have-arrived/
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Jack
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Aug 31, 2006 21:56:16 GMT -5
Post by Jack on Aug 31, 2006 21:56:16 GMT -5
Of course Hafner gets killed in the win shares equation- the Indians are having one of the strangest seasons in recent memory and their win total is much less than the sum of its parts. Win shares has way too much subjectivity to it for me, as much as I revere Bill James. VORP is much more fair, although I admit it does not account for defensive differences between players at the same position (although it does recognize that catchers do not need to hit as well as 1b and DH to create great value). I also know that exactly 0 MVP voters will consult either of these metrics, so I do not expect Hafner to finish in the top 3, perhaps not even the top 5.
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Sept 1, 2006 0:25:10 GMT -5
Post by Gold Hoya on Sept 1, 2006 0:25:10 GMT -5
I voted for Hafner because he leads in VORP and I figured it would Edited off someone, but it looks like Jack beat me to the Hafner thing.
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Sept 5, 2006 4:22:35 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Sept 5, 2006 4:22:35 GMT -5
I voted for Dye, because I'm prejudiced. If I weren't prejudiced, I would probably have voted for Mauer. As sick as Hafner has been, I can't bring myself to vote for a player on a bad team who isn't named Ernie Banks.
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BeantownHoya
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Sept 22, 2006 11:10:19 GMT -5
Post by BeantownHoya on Sept 22, 2006 11:10:19 GMT -5
It's not easy being a DH - If the season were to remain "as is" statistically speaking, will Ortiz be the first player ever to finish either 1st or 2nd in HR's and RBI's in 3 straight seasons and not win the MVP?
Not sure if this is the case but I would guess that it is.
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Sept 22, 2006 21:45:26 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 22, 2006 21:45:26 GMT -5
I'd guess not. Unless you mean never win an MVP. For several years, a player couldn't win an MVP if they had won it before; so for example I think Ruth only won one MVP, at least in his first ten years or so.
In the fifties, the voters got obsessed with catchers and middle infielders and players like Mays and Ted Williams didn't win nearly as many as they should have.
Come to think of it, I doubt it is all that uncommon.
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BeantownHoya
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Sept 23, 2006 20:07:29 GMT -5
Post by BeantownHoya on Sept 23, 2006 20:07:29 GMT -5
Great point SF. I was not aware at one point a player could only win a MVP 1 time. I guess that makes my point mute.
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Sept 23, 2006 22:43:20 GMT -5
Post by Jack on Sept 23, 2006 22:43:20 GMT -5
Great point SF. I was not aware at one point a player could only win a MVP 1 time. I guess that makes my point mute. Not to mention moot. Sorry, what else do you expect from a dork catching up on his Hoyatalk board on Saturday night?
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Sept 23, 2006 22:58:22 GMT -5
Post by BeantownHoya on Sept 23, 2006 22:58:22 GMT -5
Hey thats what I get for posting drunk on a Saturday night.
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