hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Aug 25, 2006 14:00:45 GMT -5
hifi, no loss to SC in any sport, save baseball, is a "good" loss.... they're all bad... especially when you're a team as great as you make yours out to be For the record, I never said that last year's football team was "great." I think Meyer came in and righted the ship that Zook filled with holes. And like I said, I think he came in and reclaimed home field. That combined with the friendly venue of Jacksonville, only an hour plus away, establishes a strong basis for a good season, year in and out. But a loss to a ranked opponent on the road isn't a really bad loss. Again, not dismissing it or accepting it as ok, but you have got to get this South Carolina stygma out of your mind. I'm not really sure why you are so "anti-SC" but you need to be a little more realistic. In today's world a state college like SC in an ultra-competitive conference like the SEC and with a coaching genius like Spurrier is going to be a quality opponent. The fact that they were relative doormats in years back really means little on today's scale. As for the basketball team went, yes they were great. Do you deny that? And although the two losses to SC looked bad at the time, I have been proven correct after everything was played out. SC was a good team and we didn't match up well against them. We revenged the loss to win the SEC tourny title and you know how the rest worked out.
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 25, 2006 15:07:36 GMT -5
Hifi, Guess you just don't understand a rivalry as well as you think and to say SC historically sucks in football is an understatement. You can even make a case for them sucking in basketball since McGuire retired.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 25, 2006 16:04:54 GMT -5
You obviously have taken your rivalry view a bit too far. South Carolina was an independent school with no conference affiliation for a long time. As we all know, Notre Dame is the only team that can make that work. It has taken them time but they are building a solid program. The back-to-back NIT titles in basketball are commendable. The back to back bowl seasons -- they were eligible 2 years ago but elected to not go because of a very dirty scene involving some other team I can't recall. And of course their baseball program has been top notch for a long time ... of course you could say that about literally ANY SEC team. They have infused a lot of money into the program. Their alumi/booster activity has multiplied. They have improved many of their facilities and of course they went out and got a top flight coach. I think you are just living in the past. Of course maybe you are just viewing things through your orange and white goggles.
For the record, I like Clemson too. A really good friend of mine who is also one of my sales reps went there along with basically his whole family. Another really good friend of mine just applied for a teaching spot at Clemson. He told me that their baseball stadium is awesome and if he gets the position I will schedule a trip up when there is a home baseball series. In short, I am certainly not anti-Clemson (anyone who beat FSU is ok in my book) ... I am just realistic enough to understand that SC is a program on the rise. That's all.
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TigerHoya
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 25, 2006 20:19:42 GMT -5
Actually SC was in the old Southern Conference and was a Charter Member of the ACC. They didn't leave the ACC until the early 70s mainly because the Tobacco Road schools in the ACC engineered a 800 minimum SAT score that was above the NCAA minimum.
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Post by miamihoya on Aug 25, 2006 20:50:30 GMT -5
No, I wasn't happy about either loss ... but then again what loss do I like? What loss do you like ... how about your most recent one? That is one of my favorites. Its comments like these that make you a "troll"...they are meant to inflame the people who use these boards.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 26, 2006 10:48:59 GMT -5
No, I wasn't happy about either loss ... but then again what loss do I like? What loss do you like ... how about your most recent one? That is one of my favorites. Its comments like these that make you a "troll"...they are meant to inflame the people who use these boards. Oh, come one .... that was in context and rather tame don't you think? If you were honestly offended, then I apologize. That wasn't the intention. Tiger, my point was that South Carolina started off at a disadvantage, and one reason was that without a conference affiliation they didn't have access to the revenues that most schools do. Now that they are in the SEC that has changed. I honestly see a fairly clear elevation process of their program. If you don't then I would suggest that you are trying NOT to.
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 27, 2006 9:39:27 GMT -5
South Carolina has benefited the SEC more than the SEC has benefited SC is all I'm saying, especially with the costs involved in sending olympics sports teams on the farthest trip in the conference - Columbia to Fayetteville.
If it's acceptable to you to lose to them in sports besides baseball, then that's your view.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 28, 2006 11:22:03 GMT -5
South Carolina has benefited the SEC more than the SEC has benefited SC is all I'm saying, especially with the costs involved in sending olympics sports teams on the farthest trip in the conference - Columbia to Fayetteville. If it's acceptable to you to lose to them in sports besides baseball, then that's your view. I would argue the first point but it really doesn't matter. Whether the SEC or the USC benefitted most is irrelevant. My point was that SC is moving in the right direction. As to your second comment, I pat you on the back ... as I have said very similar back handed insults in the past. I never said it is acceptable to lose to them or anyone else. My only point was that acting like a loss to them was akin to Royalty inflicted with "common ringworm" is a bit old fashioned or archaic today. THey are a program on the rise and with regard to hoops specifically, the two losses earlier in the season were shown to not be quite so embarrassing when all was said and done. Nuff said on that topic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2006 12:56:09 GMT -5
This thread has lost all relevance. How the hell did we go from discussing an NBA team's uniform change to the SEC and whether or not they benefitied more than a member institution by that school's admittance?
Oh that's right, hifigator still posts... and lord knows he's gotta push that SEC/Florida agenda.
Will the mods please kill this thread?
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Post by Boz on Aug 28, 2006 13:43:17 GMT -5
This thread had relevance once?? ;D ;D Here, let me hijack it again to something we're all interested in. . . ...Mama Bubbachuck, team owner! tinyurl.com/rk2qwTake THAT, you SEC mongrel!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2006 13:47:16 GMT -5
This thread had relevance once?? ;D ;D Here, let me hijack it again to something we're all interested in. . . ...Mama Bubbachuck, team owner! tinyurl.com/rk2qwTake THAT, you SEC mongrel!!! Iverson would be better off playing for that team than the Sixers. FREE ILLY!!!! DOWN WITH THE KING!!!
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Post by RDF on Aug 28, 2006 13:53:23 GMT -5
This thread had relevance once?? ;D ;D Here, let me hijack it again to something we're all interested in. . . ...Mama Bubbachuck, team owner! tinyurl.com/rk2qwTake THAT, you SEC mongrel!!! Iverson would be better off playing for that team than the Sixers. FREE ILLY!!!! DOWN WITH THE KING!!! AMEN!!!! Sad thing is I honestly believe Ann Iverson could acquire more talent on the ABA team then Billy King can on an NBA team. Just look at the track record--Ann produced Allen Iverson, King produces Shavlik Randolph who can't start at Duke but plays for Sixers. You make the call. ;D
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Post by hifigator on Aug 28, 2006 13:53:47 GMT -5
Don't blame me ... I wasn't the one who trumped in on this one. It was TigerHoya who brought up the Cocks. All I did was follow suit.
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