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Post by georgetowngrad05 on Jul 14, 2006 15:09:31 GMT -5
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Post by Nitrorebel on Jul 14, 2006 15:39:58 GMT -5
Here's an article summarizing some of the important players involved. People like Kaka, Nesta, Cannavaro and Buffon are all on the market!!! This could really shake up European football for years depending on where these guys all end up. One major problem: very few teams even have the money to pay for any one of these players, much less 20 or so! So maybe this will cause some serious salary deflation for top players at Barca, Real, etc. along supply/demand lines. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5150260.stmThe ramifications are massive and long-term. Football will be very different the next few years without Milan and Juve. |
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Post by georgetowngrad05 on Jul 14, 2006 15:45:58 GMT -5
With Ruud Van Nistelroy leaving Man U, the Reds have the space and may have a chance to snatch a player on the cheap, but you're right, this will have a lasting impact on the Euro landscape.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 14, 2006 16:03:50 GMT -5
Wow that's pretty insane. I wonder where my favorite player Pavel Nedved will end up. Although he may just retire at this point. When that happens I've have to move to Thomas Rosicky.
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Post by Nitrorebel on Jul 14, 2006 16:04:18 GMT -5
Sucks about Ruud. He was SOOOO close to signing with Bayern. Oh well...  |
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Post by SFOHoya on Jul 14, 2006 17:44:59 GMT -5
Here's an article summarizing some of the important players involved. People like Kaka, Nesta, Cannavaro and Buffon are all on the market!!! This could really shake up European football for years depending on where these guys all end up. One major problem: very few teams even have the money to pay for any one of these players, much less 20 or so! So maybe this will cause some serious salary deflation for top players at Barca, Real, etc. along supply/demand lines. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5150260.stmThe ramifications are massive and long-term. Football will be very different the next few years without Milan and Juve. You know this is a deep list of impact players when Nedved and Trezegol are mentioned as an afterthought |
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 14, 2006 18:07:39 GMT -5
Hmmmm...makes you really wonder about the officiating in the US-Italy game. I mean, these players were involved in match fixing and corruption of game officials. I say, start an investigation of their national team as well.
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Post by washingtonhoya on Jul 14, 2006 20:05:16 GMT -5
Wow that's pretty insane. I wonder where my favorite player Pavel Nedved will end up. Although he may just retire at this point. When that happens I've have to move to Thomas Rosicky. Come on HSB, waffling between who your favorite player is? PICK A SIDE! (I'm kidding, I promise.) Juve is the most interesting case in all of this not just because of receiving the harshest penalty, but also because they will lose the most players. I wonder if any of their "name" players will stick around in Serie B. I'd think of anyone Del Piero would be the most likely; he's been at Juve for 13 years now and is their captain, plus his value as the top offensive option isn't what it used to be. The other consideration is that even with the prices for the implicated clubs' players in decline, selling Buffon, Vieira, Zanetti, Cannavaro, Trezeguet, Thuram, Camaronesi, Ibrahimovic, Nedved, Zambrotta, Emerson, etc. is going to create a sizable windfall for Juve to rebuild. Even down 30 points to start the season, they'll have more than enough money to field a team that could contend for promotion from Serie B if not this season, certainly in 07-08. |
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Post by Nitrorebel on Jul 14, 2006 21:54:00 GMT -5
Actually the players are not implicated Bridge; only Juve officials. The players really lose everything: their titles, achievements, and their future looks questionable. It's really amazing how well the Juve and Milan players on the Italia squad dealt with the adversity to play so well.
And Wash, 30 points is a huge deduction. They could easily be relegated if they don't watch out. You need about 34 points not to be relegated in a normal season; that's 64 for Juve next year: that's 20 wins, 4 ties and only 10 losses. That's huge when you don't even have team lined up yet!! I wouldn't be surprised to see Juve barely miss being relegated.
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Post by miamihoya on Jul 16, 2006 21:54:41 GMT -5
Mindboggling scandal when u really think about it...Could u imagine something similar happening in Major League baseball where Yankees and Red Sox are sent to the minors....imagine the outcry from the fans and the impact it would have on the sport and market. It really is amazing that Italy overcame all these problems to win the World Cup (much as it pains me to say that).
Here's a totally unlikely, yet intersting thought: Why doesn't MLS take advantage of this sudden rash of available free agents, and sign them all to the league? Best oppurtunity to turn MLS into a top-notch soccer division.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 16, 2006 22:43:09 GMT -5
One thing MLS has to be wary of is importanting some aging star to the MLS to add some star power. They'll treat it like a paid retirement and won't do much to imporve the league. Taking some young players who are still hungry and in their prime might help but they're usually out of the monetary reach of teams( except now for the david beckham clause which was introduced) and they usually have no desire to play in a league that's not the elite ones in europe.
What will really help develope the MLS in the long run is to start academy systems like all the other teams around the world have. training kids from a young age in the game.
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Post by FLHoya on Jul 16, 2006 23:01:59 GMT -5
One thing MLS has to be wary of is importanting some aging star to the MLS to add some star power. They'll treat it like a paid retirement and won't do much to imporve the league. Taking some young players who are still hungry and in their prime might help but they're usually out of the monetary reach of teams( except now for the david beckham clause which was introduced) and they usually have no desire to play in a league that's not the elite ones in europe. What will really help develope the MLS in the long run is to start academy systems like all the other teams around the world have. training kids from a young age in the game. This is yet another case where I can't recall the article or else I'd quote it. Anyways, I was reading a very good piece on the NASL and the Cosmos recently. The article makes a similar point to HSB regarding why importing foreign talent isn't a viable long-term solution for a US domestic league. Essentially, the point the article made was that, while the "aging" stars (some of them like Pele, Best, etc. were, some like Beckenbauer and Chinaglia weren't) took the thing somewhat seriously, they don't have long shelf lives as viable players OR viable box office draws. There's a reason the new film about the Cosmos is called "Once in a Lifetime". With Pele, the most popular international soccer player in history, the Cosmos hit lightning in a bottle. He was a huge box office draw. But Warner Communications paid steeply to get him and the other stars. It simply wasn't going to last. When Pele retired, down went the attendance figures again. By this point, the NASL was expanding too rapidly anyhow, and it wasn't like, say, the Fort Lauderdale Strikers were owned by a Sugar Daddy like Warner that could shell out and potentially take the risk of absurd revenue losses. It's fitting that most of the big time contract rumors center on the MLS team owned by the Sugar Daddy--New York Red Bull (some of the other teams are owned by that one billionaire guy too I guess). Sure, they could pay for a Beckham on the downslope of his career and get some draw. But when Becks hangs 'em up, how often can you keep going to the well with big contracts? There's only a certain (very high) threshold at which you can "buy" fan interest with a WC veteran. Anybody really care about Youri Djorkaeff's tenure with Metrostars/Red Bull? HSB's last point is well taken. The article in question, too, points out that relying on importing foreign players into the NASL did little for developing USA talent, and resulted in something of a mini-backlash from die-hard fans. MLS, despite all the knocks it's taken from some fans and ex-USMNT coaches in the past month or so, actually has a good niche carved out. It will never be a world class league in the way we think of the EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A (and parts of Serie B now I guess). But it's an absolutely vital tool to develop home-grown talent and give young US players a chance to get a first professional opportunity, and perhaps a look from European teams where they can go for more seasoning. And I guess a security blanket/teddy bear for Landon Donovan, but that's kinda getting off topic. |
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Post by miamihoya on Jul 17, 2006 9:56:15 GMT -5
Again, i made the suggestion on a totally fantastical level....yet this isnt a case of importing a bunch of old-washed up guys...The men that are going to end up on the market due to the demotions are top-level players in their primes. Kaka is far from washed up, same goes for the most of the Italain squad that just won the Cup. I know it wont happen, but just pointing out that if MLS were serious about bringing world-class players to MLS at their prime, this would be the perfect oppurtunity.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 19, 2006 19:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by washingtonhoya on Jul 19, 2006 20:09:41 GMT -5
Makes sense for Del Piero and Nedved to remain at Juve, but Buffon? I would think his stock has never been higher. Coming off a World Cup where he proved he is likely the best goalkeeper in the world (take that, ESPN analysts and Kasey Keller) and two of his best defenders (Cannavaro and Zambrotta) already gone, plus who knows about Thuram and Balzaretti? Great to see loyalty to a club like that, but he might regret that decision if Juve don't make a huge surge to start off the Serie B season and look like they'll make a quick comeback.
Unless he knows something about the appeal that the public doesn't, but given the transparency and accountability that abound in Italian soccer, I doubt it.
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Post by Nitrorebel on Jul 20, 2006 5:57:11 GMT -5
Thuram is looking at Barca, ManU is tracking Vieira, who might end up at Inter. Trezeguet and Ibrahimovic haven't been linked to anyone in particular yet - they're still looking. Real may get involved with them or Luca Toni should the van Nistelrooy deal not go through (come to Bayern Ruud!).
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 21, 2006 8:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by Nitrorebel on Jul 21, 2006 9:37:13 GMT -5
Inter's now got Vieira for 13 mill Euros, and are looking to get Ibrahimovic and Luca Toni. Look for Inter to become the top club in Italy in the next few years. They'll also be one of the top faves for the Champions' League next season after Barca. Trezeguet is close to signing with AS Rome.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 25, 2006 15:04:26 GMT -5
The appeals have been decided. Lazio and Fiorentina are back in Serie A. Juventus remains in Sierie B but it's peanalty has been reduced to -17 from -30. AC milan will be allowed to play in the Champions leage. soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=374375&cc=5901 |
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