McNabb Comments--WTF??

[RDF]

--all I can say is that this drivel is not only ill timed, it's one of the most ignorant arguments I've heard and for a guy who's sensitive about "racial comments" McNabb sure brings up race a lot and especially when it's not even an issue--then again I'm the White "devil" who is out to destroy all that is the flabby, African American QB. How about the guy just mans up and plays some football and when he sucks--like Brett Favre, he doesn't fake an injury once in a while--because Lord knows that nobody has ever played with a hernia--btw, anyone see what Tom Brady had to have surgery to correct??

[hoyaboy1]

They were completely different injuries, actually. McNabb's was far more serious.

[hoyarooter]

Hey, RDF, is it true that Donovan McNabb and Kevin Garnett are cousins?

[Cambridge]

hoyaboy1 said:

They were completely different injuries, actually. McNabb's was far more serious.

But why are McNabb's injuries always such a big deal...I mean, sure he plays through them, BUT they always get mentioned. With Brady, you never find out until the end of the season when he quietly has surgery (this is the second off season in a row...last year it was something to do with his throwing arm)

[RDF]

BINGO! We have a winner folks and his names is 'Bridge! We hear about it because McNabb is always using excuses prior to a game. I still am baffled how nobody has mentioned that McNabb was being lauded for his play against Dallas on that Monday Night game that ended his year and Madded said "He looks great and is starting to show he's healthier then at any time this season". Which was after McNabb did that stupid Michael Jackson dance to celebrate his RUNNING TD and how he was RUNNING more to prove he's healthier according to Madden.

Now first off, what true leader would even think of celebrating like that in first place? Now throw in fact he's got a hernia that ideally would make that celebration about 100000000000 in options that would NOT hurt/aggrivate the injury.

With that said, the guy makes a bad play--happens to everyone who plays QB at some point--and instead of manning up and fighting, he gets shoved in the chest and collapses--only to be followed by the "Limp from Da Wimp". Sorry but when you pull this stunt, you are numero uno on the PUNK chart--and I'm not talking about music. I'd have given some leeway if I hadn't seen this act before--and it happens EVERY time the guy stinks or makes crucial mistakes in a game.

Brady threw a crappy pass and played a bad game against Denver in the Playoffs and we don't hear about this until AFTER the season and not even from him--why?? You answer that yourselves but it's part of football and leadership. Teammates don't like to see Qb's play up their bullcrap injuries because EVERYONE in the NFL plays with injuries and most with injuries that will require offseason surgery.

McNabb is sensitive to any criticism--the fact the entire media bought his bullcrap about Limbaugh saying he wasn't good because of his race is WRONG. Limbaugh's statement was that he was overrated in terms of WHY the Eagles were winning--it was their DEFENSE which was true as it was true that he stated Brett Favre can't carry a team anymore--he suggested they build around Ahman Green's running--which was 100% correct as well as his statement that New England did NOT hate their coach and would in fact win the Super Bowl--which of course they did.

Now if you want to say Limbaugh's role as a football commentator should've never been--I agree. However he was very accurate in what he spoke of and that can't be debated. I am not a fan of his, don't listen to him, and don't like politics at all--especially political radio/media. But to me McNabb showed his sensitivity there and why would he give a rip about what a Political bozo thinks of his role is beyond me, but he did--and maybe it was how he was presented with the statement--which had more to do with disliking Limbaugh then making this an issue--Limbaugh's brief time on ESPN provided more correct predictions/analysis then anything Berman has done or Tom Jackson for that matter.

McNabb has a PHD in "jaking" as Garnett does in "AWOL in 4th Quarter"--and continues to build upon this in a legendary fashion--to the point ESPN commentators are now catching on to the fact he's a "#2" guy, not a leading man type for a franchise--especially coming off his 12-12 shooting night in Portland where he failed to ATTEMPT a shot in the last 6:47 of the game.

You can like players, dislike them, but when it comes to debates and people being scrutinized--you have to remember there is nothing to scrutinize if that player doesn't provide a constant history to make it a topic. Day McNabb plays and I don't hear a thing about what is ailing him, he screws up, and moves on is day I'm off his case. Same with MAnning and his bullcrap. Same with KG--it's just part of being a player and not saying they are bad guys or players--just that they get a little too much smoke up their rears for what they have NOT proven they can do.

Brady has. A kid like Vince Young in college answered his doubters and has a bright future, and so on. It's not about race with majority of fans and NEVER with me--it's about HEART and not being afraid to fail. I like guys who stand up and avoid excuses. To this point, that's not McNabb.

(reason I brought up Limbaugh issue again was that he criticized Favre in same telecast he criticized McNabb and found it interesting that Favre was brought up by McNabb this past week. So the guy he was ticked at earlier--took a shot at Favre in same telecast, but guy he was mad at being compared to by Owens was Favre? So what's the point?)

[Joe Hoya]

Okay I will admit I didn't read the long posts too in-depth because I really don't care what anyone else has to say on the issue. Hey, at least I'm honest.

I think the reason McNabb used the "black on black crime" statement was...well, I have no idea. Maybe he forgot the camera was there. Maybe he felt like the interviewer (Michael Smith), as a black man, would understand what he meant and he didn't think to tailor his comments to the wide audience that would see the interview. I don't know. I sat there watching, all ready to defend every word he was saying...and then I was totally confused.

To be honest, McNabb's race has been an issue for his entire career. At first, he was the prototypical "black quarterback" - he made plays with his feet. Then, he tried to become a pocket passer, and Rush Limbaugh comes along. Then the head of the Philadelphia NAACP syas he isn't "black enough" or something like that because he doesn't want to run as much. I can understand why he would assume that derogatory comments made about him are race-based simply because that has been the case for the last seven years.

I also refuse to accept your analysis of players getting too much smoke up their rears because you failed to mention the most overrated player in the NFL in my lifetime, number 7, Michael Vick. Donovan McNabb has done something Peyton Manning and Mr. Vick have never done in leading his team to a Super Bowl. At least give him that.

As for the dance...he's been doing "Thriller" after he scores a TD for a long time. I doubt it aggravates an injury. But I'm not a dance expert.

Finally, the reason Brady is put on a pedestal with his "quiet" injuries...is it because he's white? Is it because everyone is in love with the Patriots now and their model-esque quarterback is a paragon of society? I don't know. All I know is that when I send my friend a link to this thread, he will owe me $10, because that's how much I bet him that someone would compare Brady positively to McNabb in that way. Thanks guys.

[RDF]

Joe, a guy lifting his leg towards his stomach to celebrate wouldn't effect a hernia? Hmm. Guess that wouldn't cause as many problems as getting shoved in the chest and falling.

Limbaugh's comments directed at McNabb were that he's "overrated in terms of the Eagles success as it's their Defense and Jim Johnson who is key to their team".

He also took the time to blast GB and Favre in same telecast saying he "can't carry a team and they should focus on Ahman Green as their primary method of attack".

I agree with your statements on Ron Mexico aka Vick and Goon Boy aka Manning--hell I'd throw Eli Manning in there as well. However, McNabb's talent isn't issue with me as a fan--it's his built in excuses that are. It's chickenBLEEP to always make excuses and that is only thing I take issue with McNabb--if you are hurt, play through it. If you aren't--just say you had a tough day or played poorly. It's why I don't respect Peyton Manning--it's never his crappy play that costs team yet he's the one factor that travels from team to team that underachieves.

Brady gets credit for what he's done--you can't argue that. Is it over the top sometimes, of course but same thing happened with Montana, Elway, etc....and they too were great players but it always goes over the top when people perform and win. However, I saw games they sucked or got butts kicked and don't remember them always being sick or hurt. McNabb does this all of the time. If you are hurt--don't play. If you are banged up, shut up and play. Everyone in NFL is banged up and usually needs surgery--but we don't hear about them do we?

Fact is simple--McNabb said team didn't need TO and they'd be better without him--he proceeded to gag in Washington/Dallas games and then quit on team with his "injury". That is not leadership in my book but if it is in yours--enjoy because you'll get to see many more years of this crap.

[Cambridge]

rdf said:

Joe, a guy lifting his leg towards his stomach to celebrate wouldn't effect a hernia? Hmm. Guess that wouldn't cause as many problems as getting shoved in the chest and falling.

Limbaugh's comments directed at McNabb were that he's "overrated in terms of the Eagles success as it's their Defense and Jim Johnson who is key to their team".

He also took the time to blast GB and Favre in same telecast saying he "can't carry a team and they should focus on Ahman Green as their primary method of attack".

I agree with your statements on Ron Mexico aka Vick and Goon Boy aka Manning--hell I'd throw Eli Manning in there as well. However, McNabb's talent isn't issue with me as a fan--it's his built in excuses that are. It's chickenBLEEP to always make excuses and that is only thing I take issue with McNabb--if you are hurt, play through it. If you aren't--just say you had a tough day or played poorly. It's why I don't respect Peyton Manning--it's never his crappy play that costs team yet he's the one factor that travels from team to team that underachieves.

Brady gets credit for what he's done--you can't argue that. Is it over the top sometimes, of course but same thing happened with Montana, Elway, etc....and they too were great players but it always goes over the top when people perform and win. However, I saw games they sucked or got butts kicked and don't remember them always being sick or hurt. McNabb does this all of the time. If you are hurt--don't play. If you are banged up, shut up and play. Everyone in NFL is banged up and usually needs surgery--but we don't hear about them do we?

Fact is simple--McNabb said team didn't need TO and they'd be better without him--he proceeded to gag in Washington/Dallas games and then quit on team with his "injury". That is not leadership in my book but if it is in yours--enjoy because you'll get to see many more years of this crap.

I don't think I've ever heard Brady throw a teammate under the bus. Unlike say, Manning. Rather, he is fairly reknown in the Boston area for heaping all the blame on himself personally.

Is he annoying? Yes. Does he often seem destined to become President? Probably. Do I forgive him because he not only won three superbowls but breathed fresh, new, positive life into the once stagnant and negative New England sports culture? Hell yes. (and yes, I am implying that my Red Sox would NEVER had won the WS if the Pats hadn't forever changed the sports landscape in New England)

[Joe Hoya]

RDF, you just said that injured players should play through it, and then you said they should sit down. Which is it?

As soon as the Eagles lost to Dallas the second time, and McNabb aggravated the injury, I believed that the right course of action was to shut him down. Donovan McNabb at 50% is better than Koy Detmer and Mike McMahon at 300%. THAT is why McNabb had to play - the Eagles had no other option (blame the front office for that one). McNabb went out and said "yeah, I'm hurting" and then played. Early on, he played pretty well (player of the month in September, I believe). As he started to get beat up because the team stopped running the ball, his injury got worse and started affecting his play. I'd rather him be honest than fit into your definition of "leadership." On the flip side, when he was playing out of his mind last season, he never denied that Terrell Owens had a big effect on that. From what you're saying about him, you would think he would take all the credit.

Donovan McNabb is my quarterback, and he will be for the forseeable future. I'm fine with that. When he eventually takes that Lombardi Trophy (before Michael Vick does, I guarantee), none of this talk will matter. Until then, I will carry the banner for him, even if I'm the only one.

[RDF]

Joe, you are a typical Eagle fan in that you obviously have played no football or understand anything about what it takes to lead--in any sport. ;)That's fine and not meant as a shot. There is a difference in being INJURED and "banged up". If you are injured to the point it effects your team's ability to win, you sit. If you are banged up and hurting but can play and do enough to contribute you tough it out. McNabb was "best he's looked all year" just prior to that God Awful INT and then he tanked.

McNabb had his opportunities and hasn't done a damn thing. Vick isn't even the best QB on his own team in my opinion and you won't get an argument from me there.

I'd just like to see one game where McNabb stinks and doesn't use any injury excuse or illness. When that happens, I'll leave the guy alone. I hate people who use excuses for their poor performance and even worse those who suggest they could be hampered due to being sick, etc..... and game hasn't even started. That's a copout and McNabb has mastered that.

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rdf said:

Joe, you are a typical Eagle fan in that you obviously have played no football or understand anything about what it takes to lead--in any sport. ;)That's fine and not meant as a shot. There is a difference in being INJURED and "banged up". If you are injured to the point it effects your team's ability to win, you sit. If you are banged up and hurting but can play and do enough to contribute you tough it out. McNabb was "best he's looked all year" just prior to that God Awful INT and then he tanked.

McNabb had his opportunities and hasn't done a damn thing. Vick isn't even the best QB on his own team in my opinion and you won't get an argument from me there.

I'd just like to see one game where McNabb stinks and doesn't use any injury excuse or illness. When that happens, I'll leave the guy alone. I hate people who use excuses for their poor performance and even worse those who suggest they could be hampered due to being sick, etc..... and game hasn't even started. That's a copout and McNabb has mastered that.

RDF, name one instance where McNabb (or any player for that matter) stood up BEFORE the game, and said "Well, I'm pretty banged up, so if we lose, that's why." You're just flinging hyperbole around to make a point (and a weak one at that). For that matter, when has he sat down after a loss and said "I was hurt, of course I couldn't perform." He sure stunk in the NFC title games agains Tampa and Carolina, and I odn't recall him "copping out" after those...

And don't even start with "McNabb had his opportunities and hasn't done a damn thing". The guy went to four straight title games and a Super Bowl, RDF. Just because he hasn't won a championship, he hasn't done a damn thing? What about Dan Marino? Charles Barkley? Patrick Ewing? Ted Williams? All worthless in your book, I imagine...

[Cambridge]

Patrick Ewing won a championship and went to numerous final fours. How dare you speak his name in vain.

[RDF]

McNabb's actions show it dude--watch a damn game once in a while--I just call it like I see it. Funny that his teammates seem to take my side but guess they wouldn't know anything would they? He's a guy who sides with management in their eyes and in Professional Sports it's a big no-no. As for his chances--those were the result of the Eagles defense more then McNabb. He's a decent player who has been overhyped beyond belief--as are most players in NFL and especially at the QB position. What has McNabb done in big game opportunities? He's stunk for the most part. Now it's not all of his fault as Eagles operate on "cost friendly" but it's not smart to criticize your teammates when it's a contract dispute--that is how you divide a team quicker then anything.

As for the list you provided--you are a complete Edited bag if you compare McNabb to any of those guys. Not even in the same league when it comes to talent or production. Give Marino the opportunities that McNabb has had and see if Eagles still haven't won a Super Bowl and sure as hell would've been to more than 1 that is for certain. I view Marino below Elway and Montana when it comes to his contemporaries but that is a not an insult to him--more of a compliment to the talent of those 3 players.

Go worship McNabb at your alter--the guy has excuses for everything--he was just learning in the Rams NFC loss, he was sick prior to Tampa Bay flop, he was "banged up" due to the late hit in Carolina game, he was "out of sorts" during Super Bowl. He was ineffective due to the shot he took against Atlanta in opening game this year, he had flu when he made terrible decisions against Redskins in first game after TO and he "re-aggrivated the Sports Hernia" after his Eagle season ending INT to Roy Williams.

I'd have no problem if this happened once in a while but notice a trend? How come he wasn't sick or too injured to play against San Francisco this year? How come everyone was talking him up during Dallas game as "being closer then he's been all year to being back to form" and even Madden hyped this up until he choked and then bailed out on team. Notice the "warm reception" Donovan got from his teammates which eventually led to his "Pity Poor Me, I'm a victim of Black on Black Crime" bullcrap last week. Fact is he's seen by his teammates as a fake, and kiss up to management which is why he's not liked. If you would like to know more behind the scenes stuff, feel free to PM me and I can tell you some things from an acquaintance who is very tied into what is going on up there in Philly and used to work for their Organization. Now if that isn't credible enough--then you have to admit that it's at least more then what you brought to this discussion. PM me if you want to know more--and if you don't--don't get those knee pads too dirty at McNabb's alter.

[Deleted]

I'm a Edited bag. Nice.

The fact is, McNabb's had a damn good career, and has accomplished a lot more than a lot of other guys, yet you claim that he hasn't done a damn thing. You want to talk about guys who haven't done a damn thing, how about ripping Joey Harrington a new one?

Is McNabb the perfect teammate? No. Is he one of the greatest athletes of all time? No. Could he be tougher at times? Sure. Were his "black-on-black crime" comments ludicrous? Absolutely. Despite all that, are there a half-dozen quarterbacks in the league who can claim that they've had a better career than him? Of course, by your standards, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson would be on that list, since they won championships...

I'm sure your "acquaintance who is very tied in to what is going on" could rip him even more than you can, and is probably the same person whose best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother knows the guy who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I don't know what's going on behind closed doors, and don't claim to. All I know is that you're ripping into McNabb like he slept with your wife, kicked your dog and burned your house down. Save it for guys who actually deserve it, like Boeheim and Calhoun.

[Joe Hoya]

I have never heard that Donovan McNabb was sick before the Tampa Bay NFC Championship loss or this season's Redskins loss. I read just about every article on the Eagles that's out there. But it's good to hear, now I have another excuse for why the Eagles gacked so many times. Thanks.

Also, the Tampa game was just his second game back from a broken leg. You forgot that excuse.

And, I'm about as big an Eagles fan as you will find, and one of the things I loved most about the team was its defense. That defense, not Donovan McNabb, let the team down against the Buccaneers. There was no reason that Tampa should have won in 20-degree weather at Veterans Stadium. Put some of the blame on Andy Reid and management for their stupid feud with Jeremiah Trotter, but the defense lost that game more than the offense failed to win it.

And I don't care how connected (you think) you are. I have relived every play of every game numerous times, and they all had a much bigger effect on me than they did on you. You want to call a spade a spade? You hate Donovan McNabb. Just say it. You don't have to give a reason. Just, in your next post, say "I hate Donovan McNabb" and be done with it.

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I hate Donovan McNabb's Chunky Soup Commercials.

[Joe Hoya]

Fair enough, Buff.

But Erin told me she likes them. A lot.

"Fajita can't be beat-a!"

[Cambridge]

cam said:

I'm sure your "acquaintance who is very tied in to what is going on" could rip him even more than you can, and is probably the same person whose best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother knows the guy who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night.

High Five!

[hoyarooter]

Donovan McNabb attended Syracuse. Ergo...

There's little more that needs be said, except that I would still like to know if McNabb is KG's cousin.