Duke Men's Lax recruits looking at GU....

[WilsonBlvdHoya]

and other places like JHU according to the NYT; Urick is quoted.......

www.nytimes.com/2006/04/14/sports/sportsspecial1/14lacrosse.ready.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[nychoya3]

I read on laxpower that Terrance Molanari, whose brother is a freshman at Georgetown, will be a Hoya next year.

If we're poaching from that disaster, someone call Zack Greer, a stud sophomore attack from Canada. I think he led the nation in goals as a freshman.

I don't really fully understand how schollies work for lacrosse. My impression is we have 12 or so full rides that we split up at the staff's discretion. I wonder if we've committed all the help that we have for next year?

[hoya4ever]

nychoya3 said:

I don't really fully understand how schollies work for lacrosse. My impression is we have 12 or so full rides that we split up at the staff's discretion. I wonder if we've committed all the help that we have for next year?

That's really surprising. I thought the entire team was on scholarship except for the walk-ons, which I will admit is a lot of people... but only 12?

[AustinHoya03]

Well, looks as if none of the Duke players will be transferring to Syracuse...

Syracuse Post-Standard: Duke Transfers Unwelcome Here

[nychoya3]

That strikes me as overly conservative on the SU AD's part. Most of the Duke players are blameless, and it's still entirely possible (even probable), that all of them are. How many chances did they give Billy Edelin again?

Further on the former Duke recruits front, I've read that Scott Kosic, who is the top middie recruit in the nation from LI, will probably be a Hoya too. Seems like Urick is getting a pretty long leash, so it wouldn't shock me if we brought in a Dukie or two next season.

[JimmyHoya]

I don't think he's getting a "long leash."

Has Kosic done anything in his past that is shady?

It's not Mike Pressler's fault his players were idiots. And by players I mean "2-3 royal clowns."

Just because Pressler and his staff showed interest in a player does not make him also a bad person because of something people on a team 600 miles away that he wasn't and isn't even a part of yet did.

Urick's job is to build a good, clean program. If Kosic is a good kid and good player, Urick should recruit him and keep tabs on him, just like he should/IS now with all the other Hoyas present and future.

And, if we can get Greer, that'd be superb. He's a heckuva player.

[nychoya3]

Many schools want nothing to do with the potential media microscope that Duke lacrosse and it's players are under right now. I'm not suggesting that it's fair because it's not. I just thought that poaching the recruits might suggest an openess to transfers, and that squares with what I've read elsewhere.

There was a story today that reported that Pressler was specifically warned last year about the quantity of University disciplinary proceedings involving the team. Whether or not the rape occured, and I tend to believe it didn't, there were problems at Duke beyond this incident.

[SFHoya99]

I wouldn't be surprised to see scholarship funding increase for next year with Muir in charge.

[TrueHoyaBlue]

I believe the NCAA maximum on scholarships for lacrosse is somewhere below the number of spots on the roster (twelve sounds about right, though I'm not sure). This is the case with most NCAA sports, outside of men's & women's basketball, volleyball, and one or two other spots. Most sports will split scholarships between players, so for example, 12 scholarships could be split into 3 full, 12 half, and 12 quarter scholarships.


I think it's safe to say that almost all GU lax players were recruited, but probably not all are on scholarship (and definitely not all of them are on full 'ships).

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sfhoya99 said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see scholarship funding increase for next year with Muir in charge.

One of Muir's stated goals is to increase the number of scholarships available in all sports. We are well below the Big East maximums in just about every sport aside from basketball.

[nychoya3]

Just to close the issue, the maximum scholorships an NCAA DI school can offer for men's lacrosse is 12.69, to be divvied up as the school deams best. I don't know that we have a full slate of rides, but I'd be surprised if we didn't. The program has been well supported by alumni since Urick was brought aboard.

[Nevada Hoya]

It seems as if, lacrosse players, more than any other sports' team athletes, can afford to pay for the education - at least their parents. As has been noted, many of these players come from privildged circumstances. For example, the parents of one player on our team comes from a family, who owns several hotels. His brothers played for another top school and apparently all of them were under some kind of scholarship. I am not sure what point I am trying to make, but the lacrosse players, unlike a lot of bball players, do not need the scholarships to go to school, but the schools are spending their money on these players. Is there something wrong with all of this? I don't know, but it follows the free market system, where a commodity in need will be paid for by the going market price.

[kchoya]

nevadahoya3 said:

It seems as if, lacrosse players, more than any other sports' team athletes, can afford to pay for the education - at least their parents. As has been noted, many of these players come from privildged circumstances. For example, the parents of one player on our team comes from a family, who owns several hotels. His brothers played for another top school and apparently all of them were under some kind of scholarship. I am not sure what point I am trying to make, but the lacrosse players, unlike a lot of bball players, do not need the scholarships to go to school, but the schools are spending their money on these players. Is there something wrong with all of this? I don't know, but it follows the free market system, where a commodity in need will be paid for by the going market price.

So does that mean that someone like PE2, who obviously comes from a family of wealth, shouldn't get a scholarship? Or does it only apply to non-revenue sports where we're dealing with random numbers like 12.69 scholarships?

I think that if a school were to start down that road, a lot of recruits would begin looking elsewhere.

[TrueHoyaBlue]

Well, if the max number of 'ships for lacrosse is 12.69, and the average squad is 30-40 players, then it could be following that principle to a small extent. (As opposed to hoops, with 13 scholarships for 14-15 players).

[nychoya3]

It becomes a judgment call for the coach. I doubt anyone has a full ride, but I bet that some highly recruited players can bargain for greater grants in aid than others. It adds a layer of complexity to the process, and I'm not knowledgable enough to know quite how it is hashed out.

Expectations are different in lacrosse than in basketball. Princeton and Cornell recruit some of the best players in the nation while offering no aid beyond the need based package. You can't do that in basketball. It reflects the socioeconomic strata that more (though not all or even most) top lacrosse players come from. Also, a player's future earning power is tied more closely to the value of his degree, since the professional leagues are not highly paid for the great majority of players. I think you're comparing apples and oranges, kchoya.

[Oh My!]

First, to respond to Cam, Georgetown is fully funded (& by that I mean AT THE MAXIMUM # ALLOWED BY THE NCAA) in the following sports: M&W Basketball; M&W X-country & Track; M&W Lax; and Volleyball. We are in the Big East for each of those sports except Men's Lax.

Yes, the push to increase scholarship giving has been ongoing & will remain so beyond the foreseeable future.

Finally, if anyone truly thinks that Ivy League Schools who are recruiting athletes are ONLY using need-based aid as offers, you are fooling yourselves. Yes, the aid is called need-based, but packages are put together for star recruits, regardless of socioeconomic status. You may even interpret the process as "Need-based" in terms of how much the Coach NEEDS the recruit.

[AustinHoya03]

A full-priced Georgetown education is not cheap for anyone. If I found $1 million under a park bench tomorrow, and decided to use that money to send my cousin to GU, then after 4 years of tuition, transportation expenses, rent in Burleith/Georgetown, textbooks, living expenses, bar tabs at the Tombs, etc., around 20% of my money would be gone. Some parents of lax players may be better-equipped to handle those costs, but that doesn't mean the costs are not still high. If my cousin had a talent that would reduce my costs while providing him with the same quality education, I'd jump at the chance to save six figures.

[AustinHoya03]

Bailey Heaps of The HOYA on Duke recruits:

www.thehoya.com/news/042106/news3.cfm

[CTHoya08]

The print copy has the article credited to John Lawless

[washingtonhoya]

By Bailey Heaps
Hoya Staff Writer
Friday, April 21, 2006

(snip)

— HOYA Staff Writer Bailey Heaps contributed to this report.

I'm guessing that this is a typo and Lawless and Heaps co-wrote the article.