GU shows up in Doonesbury

[njcoach]

hifigator said:

njcoach said:

Oh, a "parent and former teenager". There's something you don't run into every five minutes.

I almost hate to respond as I am not sure if this is worthy of one. But just on the off chance that my words went over your head, that phrase was descriptive specifically pertaining to Zits. I am sure that those, however few they may be, who are not parents and former teenagers may very well not appreciate the wisdom of Zits. Hopefully, at least for your sake, they don't carry the cartoon in your area. If so then you are excused. If not ... well then ... I am sure your parents are proud. (sarcasm once again)

Yes, right over my head, Dr. Einstein. Tell me: do you always have the impulse to explain, ad nauseum, every banal thought that crosses your mind, or is that a treat reserved just for us?

[utraquehoya]

hifigator said:

utraquehoya said:

ed said:

Major research universities tend toward the liberal, as does higher ed in general. I don't see how that can be denied. However, anyone who thinks Georgetown is liberal in the same mode as Harvard or Chicago hasn't visited too many campuses lately.

I think what some people were trying to claim earlier in this thread is that there is a complexity of conversation at Georgetown, one where the conservative voice is at least given its day in the sun, which doesn't happen with the same frequency at other places.

Just last week, thousands of blue and pink flags (representing daily abortions) were placed on Copley lawn (with clearance from the university) to raise concerns about abortion. Can you really imagine Duke allowing that?

A controversy ensued, creating what, one hopes, will be a healthy conversation and exchange of ideas.

www.thehoya.com/news/040706/news1.cfm

Actually, I can see Duke or any other "non-religious" campus allowing such. That was kind of the original point which started this firestorm.

But you do make a good point specifically pertaining to GT.

And yes I know that you were trying to refute the claim, but if you think about it a while it will become clear to you.

(Hint: why the need for the flags in the first place?)

Secondly, the abortion issue is a firestorm in and of itself. As polarizing as it is, I am more concerned politically with views on government in general, not one particular issue.

Special leeway was given to the pro-life group on campus because of GU's institutional (and not always liberal) Catholic identity. Duke would not do the same.

Faculty certainly tend to vote Democrat; so you're right, if that's your measure. But if you look, for example, at some of the ex- Republican administrators hired by the SFS and others, I think my earlier claim about the real presence of a diversity of voices is redeemed. In addition, you have important public intellectuals like Jean Bethke Elshtain and E.J. Dionne, who were pursued and eventually hired by the university (as I understand it). Perhaps they're not right-wing, but they're certainly not "liberal" in their views, for example, on the (positive) role of religion in political life (and have been strongly criticized for those views by many on the left).

[sorry to the admin... I know these thoughts don't belong in basketball land... ]

[hifigator]

njcoach said:

hifigator said:

I almost hate to respond as I am not sure if this is worthy of one. But just on the off chance that my words went over your head, that phrase was descriptive specifically pertaining to Zits. I am sure that those, however few they may be, who are not parents and former teenagers may very well not appreciate the wisdom of Zits. Hopefully, at least for your sake, they don't carry the cartoon in your area. If so then you are excused. If not ... well then ... I am sure your parents are proud. (sarcasm once again)

Yes, right over my head, Dr. Einstein. Tell me: do you always have the impulse to explain, ad nauseum, every banal thought that crosses your mind, or is that a treat reserved just for us?

If you choose to make a shallow derogatory statement and someone chooses to illustrate such, don't take it out on the someone. You are the one who made the decision.

[hifigator]

utraquehoya said:

hifigator said:

utraquehoya said:

Actually, I can see Duke or any other "non-religious" campus allowing such. That was kind of the original point which started this firestorm.

But you do make a good point specifically pertaining to GT.

And yes I know that you were trying to refute the claim, but if you think about it a while it will become clear to you.

(Hint: why the need for the flags in the first place?)

Secondly, the abortion issue is a firestorm in and of itself. As polarizing as it is, I am more concerned politically with views on government in general, not one particular issue.

Special leeway was given to the pro-life group on campus because of GU's institutional (and not always liberal) Catholic identity. Duke would not do the same.

Faculty certainly tend to vote Democrat; so you're right, if that's your measure. But if you look, for example, at some of the ex- Republican administrators hired by the SFS and others, I think my earlier claim about the real presence of a diversity of voices is redeemed. In addition, you have important public intellectuals like Jean Bethke Elshtain and E.J. Dionne, who were pursued and eventually hired by the university (as I understand it). Perhaps they're not right-wing, but they're certainly not "liberal" in their views, for example, on the (positive) role of religion in political life (and have been strongly criticized for those views by many on the left).

[sorry to the admin... I know these thoughts don't belong in basketball land... ]

We are getting too far off line here. I agree with you. The students at Georgetown and most other campuses are fairly illustrative of the general public with regards to political orientation. The faculty are not. That is all I was saying. From what some have said, there does seem to be at least a semblance of effort to promote balance and that is certainly a good thing. Incidentally, we are in the middle of "Pride" week down here.


Edited. Avoid perjorative and off-color terms like this going forward. --Admin

[CO_Hoya]

hifigator said:

Incidentally, we are in the middle of "Pride" week down here. It is a time to "celebrate" diversity and EDITED ... like we really need to do that.

2 points:

- This topic has nothing to do with basketball
- This post is beyond the pale.

I know the mods like to show restraint, but come on . . .

[SFHoya99]

EDITED

Derisive comments about large groups of people not related to Syracuse aren't welcome here.

[VelvetElvis]

What is wrong with pickles? I like mine deli style. Sometimes I'll eat a whole jar of Gherkins while watching Lifetime Channel

[Deleted]

hifigator said:

Incidentally, we are in the middle of "Pride" week down here. It is a time to "celebrate" diversity and EDITED ... like we really need to do that.

This has zero to do with basketball. Or comic strips. Whether or not you agree with something like a gay pride week, there are civilzed ways of discussing it. Of course, that's likely asking far too much of you.

Take your crap elsewhere, bigot, nobody wants to read it here.

[VelvetElvis]

hifi, in light of your posts regarding the advancements of all of the FL cities that you cited on another thread. I think Doc Holiday from the movie Tombstone speaks for everyone here.

"HiFi, you are SOOO cosmopolitan"

[hifigator]

buffalohoya said:

hifigator said:

Incidentally, we are in the middle of "Pride" week down here. It is a time to "celebrate" diversity and specifically EDITED ... like we really need to do that.

This has zero to do with basketball. Or comic strips. Whether or not you agree with something like a gay pride week, there are civilzed ways of discussing it. Of course, that's likely asking far too much of you.

Take your crap elsewhere, bigot, nobody wants to read it here.

I figured that phrase might be a bit "much" for some. Seriously though, my only point was that at least on campuses it seems like almost all of the activities/special events promote the "other side" from the political scale. I know this event isn't specifically of political nature. But it is yet another example of universities sponsoring an activity generally associated with the left. Rarely do we have university sponsored activies for the NRA or the sort. If the college republicans group doesn't do it, it doesn't get done. Whereas there are many opportunities for platforms from the other side. That's why I was commending GT on the abortion awareness flag issue. Whoever said it was right that we wouldn't likely see that at Duke ... of Florida.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

Ok so no one has said this but I was looking at the cartoons on Doonesbury for the last couple of day and thinking "Why did this girl apply to these schools?" It just makes no sense. I don't think GU has a lot of cross-over applications with MIT and CalTech maybe Jack could educate me on this but I just don't see people debating between GU and MIT.

[SFHoya99]

stpetersburghoya said:

Ok so no one has said this but I was looking at the cartoons on Doonesbury for the last couple of day and thinking "Why did this girl apply to these schools?" It just makes no sense. I don't think GU has a lot of cross-over applications with MIT and CalTech maybe Jack could educate me on this but I just don't see people debating between GU and MIT.

Oddly, I applied to both. Sloane is an excellent business school, from rep, at least.

Once I set foot on MIT's campus, I wasn't going to go there. Every student was walking fast, head down, holding about eight or nine books. Pass.

[hifigator]

velvetelvis said:

hifi, in light of your posts regarding the advancements of all of the FL cities that you cited on another thread. I think Doc Holiday from the movie Tombstone speaks for everyone here.

"HiFi, you are SOOO cosmopolitan"

The only point there was that Florida is not some accumulation of rural undeveloped areas.

Cosmopolitan is something I have never been called. I will give you that much. I've never seen the movie Tombstone though ... is it a good thing or a bad one?

[EasyEd]

Ultraque - your dismissing Dionne as not a liberal is a re-affirmation of my earlier post that liberals just don't recognize themselves, or others, who are liberal. The fact that he sees a place for religion does not make him not a liberal. John Kerry held the same view, as did Al Gore. Ted Kennedy goes to church. Of course you would probably say they are not liberal. In fact, I'd like you to name one liberal of importance.

[FLHoya]

stpetersburghoya said:

Ok so no one has said this but I was looking at the cartoons on Doonesbury for the last couple of day and thinking "Why did this girl apply to these schools?" It just makes no sense. I don't think GU has a lot of cross-over applications with MIT and CalTech maybe Jack could educate me on this but I just don't see people debating between GU and MIT.

My dad said the same thing last night when I talked to him on the phone (he got his master's degree at MIT).

I think the difference could be best summed up by the conversation where I was telling him how cool I thought it was that down the road GU was gonna get a new science building. He was like "yeah, at MIT there was the Chem building, the Physics building, the Bio building--I didn't go in there much, the Engineering buildings..." and so on.

Apparently there was also not a ton of interaction between the engineering-type kids like my dad and the liberal arts kids...the engineering kids kinda stood out, what with having to carry their slide rules around all the time.


And, I mean, maybe like 10-15 years ago Florida was an accumulation of rural undeveloped areas...now all those undeveloped areas are cookie-cutter gated communities. ;D It's called--well, lots of Orlando, the western parts of Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade counties (I used to be a soccer ref down there and I swear these new cities/teams would invent themselves every season), etc. Seriously, it's actually fun sometimes--when you fly into Palm Beach International Airport and you land on Runway 9L, the plane makes the U-turn for final approach right at the line where the fake-ish looking communities at the edge of Wellington/Royal Palm Beach/Loxahatchee end.

Although, maybe miamihoya gets there more often than I do, cause it's kind right in between us, but Coral Springs still weirds me the F out for some vague reason.

[Jack]

stpetersburghoya said:

Ok so no one has said this but I was looking at the cartoons on Doonesbury for the last couple of day and thinking "Why did this girl apply to these schools?" It just makes no sense. I don't think GU has a lot of cross-over applications with MIT and CalTech maybe Jack could educate me on this but I just don't see people debating between GU and MIT.

You are correct, not much cross-over between GU and MIT, SF's post notwithstanding. Harvard would have been the much better comp. for a reach school, but I guess it is too obvious for Trudeau to use.

Also, wrong platform, but I am a liberal and so is EJ Dionne. And both of us see the values of the Democratic party as much more Christian than those of the Republican party.

[CAHoya07]

Leave it to Gtown alums and students (and one Florida fan who insists on still posting here) to turn a comic that barely mentioned Gtown at all into a three-page debate on the political make-up of our university.

A couple things:

easyed, I am a proud liberal. Absolutely agree with Jack's statement that I find the Democratic party more representative of Catholic and Christian values than the GOP. I have no fear of the word liberal. I don't think as many liberals shy away from it as you think. EJ Dionne is my religion and politics professor, and he unashamedly calls himself a liberal in class. He invites both liberal and conservative guest lecturers every week.

And to keep this on the basketball board... three-point shooting will probably be our biggest weakness next year. I look for Thornton to step up.

[VelvetElvis]

Dill Pickle spears make a good garnish for a sandwich!

[FrostbackHoya]

As a Canuck, I had lots of neck-snapping 'conservative' moments at GU -- the mini white crosses on the Healy Circle as an abortion protest (and almost getting kicked out of a car on the way to a rugby game when I didn't answer the Q on my views on abortion... not 'answered wrong', just stayed silent!) -- the totally embarassing 'Maureen... you've got a smudge on your face' Ash Wednesday moment... the 'I don't want to put a Stars & Stripes on my rugby shirt' Gulf War I loss (and I actually supported the invasion. Just didn't think we needed to support it as a rugby team.)

But 'conservative' and 'secular' are obviously not polar opposites for this thread. Lots of people saying they're Dems/Libs and Christian. My experience at G'town was different. The most religious tended to be the most conservative, IMO. But the idea that G'town is a liberal institution can only come from someone who thinks that everyone institution right of the Mormon Church is liberal. GU is NOT akin to Berkely or McGill. Alas.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

frostbackhoya said:

As a Canuck, I had lots of neck-snapping 'conservative' moments at GU -- the mini white crosses on the Healy Circle as an abortion protest (and almost getting kicked out of a car on the way to a rugby game when I didn't answer the Q on my views on abortion... not 'answered wrong', just stayed silent!) -- the totally embarassing 'Maureen... you've got a smudge on your face' Ash Wednesday moment... the 'I don't want to put a Stars & Stripes on my rugby shirt' Gulf War I loss (and I actually supported the invasion. Just didn't think we needed to support it as a rugby team.)

But 'conservative' and 'secular' are obviously not polar opposites for this thread. Lots of people saying they're Dems/Libs and Christian. My experience at G'town was different. The most religious tended to be the most conservative, IMO. But the idea that G'town is a liberal institution can only come from someone who thinks that everyone institution right of the Mormon Church is liberal. GU is NOT akin to Berkely or McGill. Alas.

Hey Frostback have you met our good friend EasyEd - you two should have a beer and discuss politics sometime ...