DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 22, 2005 15:28:26 GMT -5
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 22, 2005 19:48:27 GMT -5
Nothing surprises me about the Jesuits today.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 23, 2005 1:57:57 GMT -5
I love the Jesuits. I've received a Jesuit education for the past 6+ years of my life, and I am positive that I am a better human being because of it.
As far as the article goes, I don't think this is a big deal. I wish I could see the ad, because in all honesty I think it is kind of clever. This will never happen and is against all Catholic teaching, but in an ideal world I do wish the Vatican would at least acknowledge that condoms can be an effective barrier to sexually transmitted diseases.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 23, 2005 5:02:45 GMT -5
I think that if you talked to a member of a Papal Nunciature - as I did every Tuesday in class this past semester - you would find that the issue isn't so much that condoms are a means of protecting against STDs spreading - its that from the Vatican's standpoint it throws the baby out with the bathwater by making sex an act that is not focused on procreation. That is their standpoint on the issue. I really don't think that this is just another sign that the Jesuits are terribly off-base like ed does. The Jesuits represent the Catholic left and while it might seem like they are liberal on a lot of issues - I think that if you talked to the vast majority of Jesuits on the subject of sex you would find that they all were in line with the Vatican on this issue. Does the fact that a theater group gets to perform the Vagina Monologues on campus every year or that there has been a sex columnist featured in The Hoya mean that the Jesuits have completely lost their way? No. I think that there is a belief in respecting other's approaches to a question inherent in the Jesuit order and a belief that education through dialogue is important as well.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 23, 2005 12:04:09 GMT -5
St. Pete - would you feel the same way if that theatre group had put on a show entitled "The Black Race is Inferior"? Or if there was a column in the Hoya addressing the pros and cons of the KKK? Or a column on how to become a terrorist? Or the good that Hitler did? Isn't this the same sort of education through dialogue you refer to and respect for the viewpoints of others? I believe in a Catholic university there have to be limits placed on things and I believe Georgetown no longer does this in a way that is consistent with being a Catholic university.
In years past, the Jesuits were specially lauded by the Pope as "Defenders of the Faith". Now they are so far left as to be no longer representatives of the Catholic Church. Vagina Monologues and sex columnists belong in the trash heap, not on the campus of a Catholic school.
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SoCalHoya
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Post by SoCalHoya on Dec 23, 2005 12:18:10 GMT -5
There is a difference in kind here, not degree. Hard to equate a female liberation play like "the Vagina Monologues" (an awful one at that, IMHO) with anything as invidious as racism. Yes, they are viewpoints, but one art promoting freedom/thought is different than another promoting hatred/ignorance.
Personally, I feel the Jesuits still are the "Defenders of the Faith." It may not line up with what many in this country consider Catholic "theology" or "thought", but I've found that much of the interpretations of the Church's viewpoints recently have been void of either of those things.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 23, 2005 17:24:47 GMT -5
St. Pete - would you feel the same way if that theatre group had put on a show entitled "The Black Race is Inferior"? Or if there was a column in the Hoya addressing the pros and cons of the KKK? Or a column on how to become a terrorist? Or the good that Hitler did? Isn't this the same sort of education through dialogue you refer to and respect for the viewpoints of others? I believe in a Catholic university there have to be limits placed on things and I believe Georgetown no longer does this in a way that is consistent with being a Catholic university. In years past, the Jesuits were specially lauded by the Pope as "Defenders of the Faith". Now they are so far left as to be no longer representatives of the Catholic Church. Vagina Monologues and sex columnists belong in the trash heap, not on the campus of a Catholic school. I'm not going to respond to you baiting me with Hitler, the KKK, and terrorists. However, this is Georgetown not Bob Jones - we don't sign a piece of paper when we show up that committs us to being Roman Catholic, following Roman Catholic teachings, etc. I think that if that were to happen then we'd be missing the point of a Jesuit education. I don't think its proper for a University that is supposedly a place of learning and dialogue to willfully impose restrictions on that discourse. |
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FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Dec 27, 2005 12:48:29 GMT -5
What's the difference between Protestants and Jesuits?
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Protestants know they're not Catholic ;D
or so the joke goes...
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Post by joehoya07 on Dec 27, 2005 15:06:34 GMT -5
A man walked up to a Franciscan and a Jesuit and asked, "How many novenas must one say to get a Mercedes Benz?"
The Franciscan answered, "What's a Mercedes Benz?"
The Jesuit answered, "What's a novena?"
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TigerHoya
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Post by TigerHoya on Dec 28, 2005 15:30:04 GMT -5
The January 2006 issue (http://touchstonemag.com/archives/issue.php?id=116 ) of Touchstone - touchstonemag.com - had an article related to America magazine. It's not online though. A friend is supposed to be scanning/copying it for me. |
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