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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 20, 2005 19:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by hilltopper2000 on Jul 21, 2005 11:06:46 GMT -5
There was a lot of interesting stuff in there. The writer has the oddest taste in campus architecture I've ever encountered: prefereing 1940s non-descript buildings (Brandeis) and wooden shacks (Marlboro) over GU's gothic architecture. For school size she used total enrollment, including graduate students, which often gives the wrong sense of how large a school is. This statement jumped out at me: "Its want-to-be Ivy-League attitude just did not 'fit' the more casual part of me." I can't for the life of me divine what that means. Why would a school with Ivy aspirations be less casual than the two Ivy league schools (Brown and Dartmouth) she found more her speed? I think she was reacting to its urban location -- with which she isn't fully comfortable -- as evinced by her description of Dartmouth's evirons: "its location and town are fantastic." I also guess people at GU aren't as friendly as those as Brown. Thinking back on my visits to both schools, I suppose GU is more business-like and professional. That didn't bother me.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 21, 2005 11:15:34 GMT -5
Also, if you want to be picky about locations...well, I could go on and on about the beauty of Brandeis' location. Well actually that's a lie. It's in suburban hell and like many Boston area suburbs that means, shoddy, run down pothole marked streets with views of abandonded factories.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 21, 2005 11:16:44 GMT -5
Also, of course she was evaluating the two soft ivies...those two schools are about as intellectually challenging as DQ softserve.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Jul 21, 2005 11:34:05 GMT -5
Maybe she just didn't want to feel like she had to spend $5000-plus on designing her dorm room (see below). Why does this not surprise me?: Patrick Baglino, a Dupont Circle designer, works with multimillion-dollar budgets. He's decorated mansions in Spring Valley, New York lofts in SoHo, homes in Kalorama and Georgetown, waterfront condos in Florida. He also does dorm rooms. A recent makeover for two friends at Georgetown University included Ralph Lauren bed linens, window treatments from Anthropologie and a $1,200 Angela Adams carpet. Total price: about $5,000, not including Baglino's fees. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072000573.html
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Post by Jack on Jul 21, 2005 13:57:41 GMT -5
As one who has given the Georgetown admissions information session presentation probably 500 times over the past 5 years, I am sensitive to the criticisms here. It is fair to say that the information session is formal, as it is structured around a power point, and it is also fair to say that is gives a fair amount of information that can be found from other sources. Some may find those aspects to be negatives, others appreciated the fact that Georgetown attempts to give students the important information they need about subjects that can be a bit confusing, such as the four different undergraduate schools. It would be possible to assume people already know that stuff, but I bet we would end up with plenty of questions about it.
Her complaints about the session being less personal when compared to other schools are a bit odd to me- before almost every session I go around the room and ask every student to introduce themselves and welcome them. The only exception is for a particularly large (over 100 visitors) session where those introductions would take the entire 45 minutes. It is possible that she was here for one of those, usually on weekends during the summer.
I believe that most students who are considering Georgetown already think it would be a fun place to go to school. Quality of life and student satisfaction are areas where GU does pretty well. Where Georgetown lags behind competitors is in categories like academic reputation, and so the information session is partly designed to show students that Georgetown is a place for serious academics and it is attracting the best students. It is not a warm and fuzzy message, but it is not intended to be.
As for the tours, so much of that comes down to individual tour guides. In the summers, there are very few volunteer tour guides around, so those who are left are the students who work in our office. They typically do a great job, but they also do so many tours they begin to lose some enthusiasm and perhaps burn out. Also, those very large summer sessions are tough, with a high ratio of visitors to tour guides, and the DC heat and jets overhead also take something away from the energy of the presentation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2005 14:32:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about it. This chick obviously failed to grasp what G'Town is all about, how much fun it is to be on campus, the social scene... no big loss.
Anyone who would rather spend their undergrad years in suburban Mass rather than in one of the nation's most vibrant cities is obviously touched in the head. Sorry if that offends anyone, but its true.
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Post by hoya4ever on Jul 21, 2005 17:36:07 GMT -5
I didn't like my tours either (I had at least three, I was in love with GU). The tour guides give general information about the school and sometimes talk about their personal experiences (classes, majors, involvement) but only when asked. One tour guide even told everyone that although we should step around the seal like everyone else, we should do it so it doesn't get destroyed, not because of tradition! I know that is the real reason behind it, but come on! What did it for me, was spending three weeks here with a summer program. I was in Harbin and we used to pretend we were college students. Unless you talk to the people and live with them (those GAAP events were students live with a freshman are cool) there is no way to really tell. Non-admitted prospects also do not get much. There is an information session and a tour and some of the prospects stay behind and spend the afternoon strolling and at the bookstore. Although, from my experience, those were simply legasies (sp?) whose parents knew the area. More events like sitting down and talking with a student in small groups, like GAAP, would be nice.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 25, 2005 19:28:04 GMT -5
Here'a another blogger who visited Georgetown. But did this person miss a Metro stop and end up at GW instead? Read this account of the Hilltop: "I still consider this school a little bit, because I know it could be good for what I want, but the campus is truly unattractive, save for a couple of the older portions; it feels like a city, even though it's walled off from it, with tall buildings, dorms that must be as high as 15 stories or so, and broad streets running through campus..." Broad streets running through campus? Must be next to that interstate that runs past the MBNA Arena... www.livejournal.com/users/elder_statesman/8438.html
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Post by thebin on Jul 25, 2005 21:58:44 GMT -5
I am guessing, its a bit more than guessing actually, that Ms. Reidl is Jewish and probably quite left wing. Ok now everybody keep breathing….BREATH…. She just LOVED Brandeis, but was wary of Georgetown's Jesuit affiliation. She clearly thought that Dartmouth was less than Brown specifically because it was "more conservative." The fact that she visited and praised Marlboro Commune, I mean College, when its quite clear she is academically gifted and looking at top notch schools.....well I say case closed right there. My point? Do I expect a Jewish girl from Northern California with left wing sensibilities to like a pre-professional school like Gtown in DC over a Brown or a Brandeis? No. Do I give a ? No, I really don't. Am I expecting some people with delicate sensibilities to have an aneurism when they read this post? There is a pretty good chance, yeah. But I know I am about the least anti-Semitic person as you will ever meet, and I also don't really like sensitive people to begin with. One of the best things about Georgetown, and I really mean this, is that it is NOT Brown. I honestly would say that anyone who would visit Marlboro College coming all the way from California would be better off not wasting their time and money (or parent’s) visiting a Georgetown.
Let me be clear about something here. I want people of all faiths at Gtown- take that from someone who doesn't even have any faith of his own. But I do not want people coming here who are suspicious from the word Go about Gtown's Jesuit identity. If you are not comfortable with that essential element of the school's character, pls move on. Its not up to you change to the school's core identity just because you want a good Hill internship.
And let me be clear about another thing. Of course I want to attract students from left and right wing perspectives. I just don't want too many Brown students stinking up the hallways.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 25, 2005 23:57:00 GMT -5
I'm not so much worried about the use of racial and religious language that treads on people's sensibilities in your post as I am with the fact that you make an absolutely unsubstantiated assumption that: 1) she is Jewish 2) she is liberal (either because she is Jewish or independent of that) 3) Jewish, liberal sutdents do not like Georgetown (and I know a large number of Georgetown undergrads that would dispute that cliam)
I also don't understand your arrogance about whether someone likes Georgetown or wants to attend it at all. I personally want everyone to like my school. The fact that we have this thread pretty much shows that we do give a that she didn't like it.
Other than that your post is a diatribe that doesn't seek any balance (and i'm sure you intended it to have none) and frequently doesn't make sense.
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Post by thebin on Jul 26, 2005 6:35:46 GMT -5
I am getting awfully tired of hearing about what "troubles" and "worries" you about my opinions. You don't know me from a hole in the ground and to find my opinions "troubling" as you so often do is a bit silly and extraordinarily self-important of you. This message board is NOTHING but unsubstantiated opinions for one. More importantly my young sensitive friend, I did substantiate it. I said it was more than a guess, and any adult would have assumed that meant it was less than fact. The name is more likely to be Jewish than German with that spelling. Not too many gentiles from the West Coast visit Brandeis and yet worry about Gtown’s Catholicism. Of course there are some Jewish students at Gtown and surely then many of them are liberal, but I would say the average left wing Jewish high school student of some academic accomplishment who seriously considers a hippie commune/college in the Vermont wilderness is going to be less than receptive to the idea of going to a Catholic University in DC. The kind of person who loves Brown or Brandeis or even CONSIDERS visiting Marlboro College is typically going to be someone of leftwing sensibilities who doesn't think much of going to a largely pre-professional school that is associated with the Vatican. This is not hard and fast rule, but rather a generality. I can tell generalities make you have seizures and start shouting about "unsubstantiated claims" but in the real world we come to learn that generalities are value-neutral and that can actually be quite helpful when their limitations are understood. Does that concept blow your simple mind? Do you find that “troubling?” No doubt you do. You are precisely the kind of sensitive type I had in mind in your utterly predictable and sanctimonious response. Really, they are like clockwork. But I also understand that much of this is not your fault. You are a student now are you not? You dwell in a culture and were raised in an age a little more than me, where it was considered an unpardonable sin to make even reasonable assumptions about someone's religion of political inclinations for example if you were in possessions of less than 100% certitude. I can tell you that the tonic for that disease is real life, and assure you that being free of such sensitivity-policing bromides is liberating. But until you may have reached such a point, let me be clear about this now; I don't give a damn what you think because I find all of your opinions to be utterly without interest. The "confirmations hearings will be critical?" Wow! Seriously? Thanks for posting! You are "troubled by my opinions?" Well then sir, kindly go to Hell and don't collect $200 for Free Parking. I don't want to offend some young lefty who has never supported himself and that thinks membership in the Federalist Society is something that should be "investigated." I am not going to be responding to your posts anymore, pleases do me a favor and reciprocate?
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 26, 2005 9:10:39 GMT -5
This just got interesting. I'm definitely staying tuned for round two!
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 26, 2005 15:27:08 GMT -5
I am getting awfully tired of hearing about what "troubles" and "worries" you about my opinions. You don't know me from a hole in the ground and to find my opinions "troubling" as you so often do is a bit silly and extraordinarily self-important of you. This message board is NOTHING but unsubstantiated opinions for one. More importantly my young sensitive friend, I did substantiate it. I said it was more than a guess, and any adult would have assumed that meant it was less than fact. The name is more likely to be Jewish than German with that spelling. Not too many gentiles from the West Coast visit Brandeis and yet worry about Gtown’s Catholicism. Of course there are some Jewish students at Gtown and surely then many of them are liberal, but I would say the average left wing Jewish high school student of some academic accomplishment who seriously considers a hippie commune/college in the Vermont wilderness is going to be less than receptive to the idea of going to a Catholic University in DC. The kind of person who loves Brown or Brandeis or even CONSIDERS visiting Marlboro College is typically going to be someone of leftwing sensibilities who doesn't think much of going to a largely pre-professional school that is associated with the Vatican. This is not hard and fast rule, but rather a generality. I can tell generalities make you have seizures and start shouting about "unsubstantiated claims" but in the real world we come to learn that generalities are value-neutral and that can actually be quite helpful when their limitations are understood. Does that concept blow your simple mind? Do you find that “troubling?” No doubt you do. You are precisely the kind of sensitive type I had in mind in your utterly predictable and sanctimonious response. Really, they are like clockwork. But I also understand that much of this is not your fault. You are a student now are you not? You dwell in a culture and were raised in an age a little more than me, where it was considered an unpardonable sin to make even reasonable assumptions about someone's religion of political inclinations for example if you were in possessions of less than 100% certitude. I can tell you that the tonic for that disease is real life, and assure you that being free of such sensitivity-policing bromides is liberating. But until you may have reached such a point, let me be clear about this now; I don't give a damn what you think because I find all of your opinions to be utterly without interest. The "confirmations hearings will be critical?" Wow! Seriously? Thanks for posting! You are "troubled by my opinions?" Well then sir, kindly go to Hell and don't collect $200 for Free Parking. I don't want to offend some young lefty who has never supported himself and that thinks membership in the Federalist Society is something that should be "investigated." I am not going to be responding to your posts anymore, pleases do me a favor and reciprocate? How was the last Stewards meeting? I suppose I should take some time to respond to some one who throws a lot of ad hominem attacks at me when I point out a problem with him arguments on this board. You admit in your first 3 sentences that it was just an unsubstantiated guess - congratulations acceptance is the first step - hope the next 11 come as quickly. That is all I was pointing out other than the line about "troubling" language that you use - so why are you even posting to defend that part of your statement? Why do I quibble about phrases like "extemist hate groups"? Look at where I am from. That's right - Oklahoma. Do you think that I might have some sort of special knowledge about what we should call an "extremist hate group" and what we shouldn't? I don't think there is anything more real world than wondering if your family members got out of the building alive or if they even came into work that day - so kindly stop making more assumptions about who I am or why I have certain opinions about who and what should be called an "extremist hate group". Is that enough "tonic" for you? Or do I need to come up with some other reason why I don't like your language? Or would you like to make some more assumptions that because I am a student I have no valid life experience beyond my academic knowledge? I never said that the confirmation hearings will be critical - look at who is posting. I stated that someone should be entitled to ask questions. I honestly don't care who you are, how old you are, what you do for a living, etc. I don't think any of that makes you more qualified to give an opinion on who this girl is, what is going to happen with John Roberts, etc. Than I am. I am a student - big deal - do you want a cookie for figuring that one out? Does that make me some how discountable in your opinon? I'm sure that you think you are just "calling them like you see them" - but you are clearly distorting the truth when you call anything that seems a little left "extremist" or "a hate group". You can keep on calling them like you see them - but you also need to see the forest through the trees - when you keep on hanging and epithet on everything you see you become just as extreme, irrelevant, and discountable, as that which you proport to lable as such. I have always been careful to try to base my arguments here on something - a website that i can link to or logic - in order to not seem irrelevant. You have chosen to scream, call names, and use a lot of exclamation points. I guess that's your style. Thanks for adding an angry voice to the conversation, but you have no idea where I am coming from with my opinions, so kindly don't go making assumptions about me like you do everything else on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2005 15:41:32 GMT -5
DING! DING! DING!
Jim Lampley: "And round two comes to a close with a FLURRY of activity from StPete. What a re-sponse from the youngster from Oklahoma! This crowd is CERTAINLY getting their money's worth here... tonight... in Atlantic City! Emmanuel?"
Emanuel Steward: "That was a terrific round for StPetersberg. Reminded me of a young George Foreman the way he was..."
Lampley: "Everyone reminds YOU of Foreman, don't they Emanuel? Larry? Anything to add?"
Larry Merchant: "Yes... Jim... I... do... have... something..."
Lampley: "And with that, let's throw it over to our unofficial ringside scorekeeper, Harold Lederman. Harold?"
Harold Lederman: "THANKS JIM! RIGHT NOW I'M SCORING 19-19, ONE ROUND EACH FOR BOTH FIGHTERS! STPETE CAME ON STRONG AT THE END THERE WITH AUTHORITY AND KEPT THE ROUND FROM A 9-9 DRAW!! BACK TO YOU JIM!!"
Lampley: [off-camera to one of the producers] "Is Lederman done yelling yet? Jesus, I cannot stand that piece of sh... AND WE'RE BACK, as the fighters make their way to the center of the ring for round three..."
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 26, 2005 15:57:39 GMT -5
The OK city references defenitely connected with the kidney and thebin may be [Edited] blood later on this evening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2005 16:09:08 GMT -5
This is probably the most exciting post war NOT involving someone losing their cool on the_way.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 26, 2005 16:13:10 GMT -5
Lol, guys the fight coverage is hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2005 16:29:34 GMT -5
Lampley: "And StPete grabs hold of bin and flashes a WINK in our direction, a la Roy Jones Jr. as if to say this guy has got NOTHING on me. Larry?"
Merchant: "Well... Jim... its... too... bad... fighters... these... days..."
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Post by Jack on Jul 26, 2005 17:50:39 GMT -5
Initially I was wondering why this topic was in Blue and Gray rather than 37th and O. Shows you what I know.
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