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Sept 14, 2004 10:49:21 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Sept 14, 2004 10:49:21 GMT -5
Is anyone else as tired of this as I am? George Bush served in the Air Force/National Guard. He got some strings pulled. He served a relatively cushy tour of duty in the U.S.. He was honorably discharged.
Kerry served a couple of months in combat in Vietnam. He was awarded some medals (rightly or wrongly). Some vets like him and said he served admirably. Some vets disagree.
Is there anything else to this? Isn't it time to move on? Isn't the media continuing to rehash the same stories over and over?
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Sept 14, 2004 12:21:25 GMT -5
Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Sept 14, 2004 12:21:25 GMT -5
I agree. But I think both sides find it easier to cast doubt on events of thirty years ago than to:
a) defend their records of the recent past b) promote a positive plan (vision only goes so far) for the next four years.
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Sept 14, 2004 14:12:51 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Sept 14, 2004 14:12:51 GMT -5
Would you agree with me that this focus on events 30 years ago only serves to help Bush/Cheney?
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Sept 14, 2004 14:40:09 GMT -5
Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 14, 2004 14:40:09 GMT -5
Would you agree with me that this focus on events 30 years ago only serves to help Bush/Cheney? Yeah, I think it does, which is why Rove was shrewd and brilliant after the Dem convention, in an evil sense of the term.
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Sept 14, 2004 14:54:01 GMT -5
Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Sept 14, 2004 14:54:01 GMT -5
Definitely, because I think Bush has a lot more to lose by a focus on the present.
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Sept 14, 2004 15:26:41 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Sept 14, 2004 15:26:41 GMT -5
I agree that Kerry's best chance to make up ground by addressing the economy, Iraq and such. Whether he actually does it, or does it coherently, remains to be seen.
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Sept 23, 2004 10:30:56 GMT -5
Post by Cambridge on Sept 23, 2004 10:30:56 GMT -5
Just curious, is there anyone in recent history whose mystique has reached the levels of Rove. I mean, I dispise the guy, but at the same time, I find it humorous that I imagine him as an evil mastermind. On one level, I'm glad we have a modern day Rasputin. Makes life all the more interesting...I mean, when you get past the part where he circumvents and manipulates the democratic system for his and his friends' personal gain. I mean other than that, it's pretty funny. Hahaha.
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Sept 23, 2004 11:02:18 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Sept 23, 2004 11:02:18 GMT -5
I find it amusing that some Dems think that it was Rove who planted these forgeries for the Democrats to take them to the media so that the Dems would look bad.
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Sept 23, 2004 15:23:08 GMT -5
Post by Cambridge on Sept 23, 2004 15:23:08 GMT -5
Well, now I'm Editeded. Quite frankly, I was kinda indifferent about this whole issue until I saw the latest Swift Boat Ad. I mean the first one was a ridiculous story. I mean that a veteran hand picked by Nixon to counter Kerry rears his head thirty years later like the Manchurian candidate and resumes his role was ridiculous enough. I was slightly perterbed when CBS was forced to retract it's story due to the participation of partisan sources, whereas the entire Kerry/Vietnam issue is driven by partisan sources. But, the newest add has really touched a nerve. I am speechless. Okay, it is one thing to question a man's integrity even to question his past, it is another all together to accuse someone of treason. To say that Kerry is worse than Jane Fonda and to accuse him of secret meetings with the North Vietnamese is perposterous. Simply put, this is an outrage and a total total embarassment for America. This has to rank up there with the "McCain has a black love child" attack as one of the most dishonorable and unscrupulous in the last thirty years. I am torn as to how Kerry should respond. This is such an underhanded move and so blatantly false, however it will probably stick because Kerry seems to be like Velcro. The more he fights the more he gets stuff. The more he stands still the more stuff just ends up getting stuck to him. I say he just head over to Iraq and meet with the troops. Hang around with them for a while. Put this election back on course by refocusing the election on a war that actually pertains to this election, rather than on Vietnam.
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Sept 23, 2004 17:17:14 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Sept 23, 2004 17:17:14 GMT -5
I was slightly perterbed when CBS was forced to retract it's story due to the participation of partisan sources, whereas the entire Kerry/Vietnam issue is driven by partisan sources. What story was CBS forced to retract due to partisan sources? You aren't talking about the story based on documents they knew, or should have known, to be forgeries?
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