Georgetown v. Maryland

[kchoya]

Interesting thread over on the UMCP board:

mb26.scout.com/fmaryland43696frm6.showMessageRange?topicID=52954.topic&start=1&stop=20

"Both schools are good schools, but at one of them, you'll be treated as a token who is only there because the basketball team needs some black guys."

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"if he has any hope of going to the NBA, it would be maryland.

"georgetown's academic reputation is falling. my GF was a recruiter for prolly the top investment bank in Goldman Sachs and they dropped Georgetown from their undergrad recruiting due to lack of quality hires. meanwhile, although not a fair comparison, they added Univerisity of Maryland MBA recruiting to it's lineup.

"though not yet, georgetown is becoming like every other overpriced average private school education. although it is still obviously more prestigous than umd."

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"Gary is a better coach and will prepare him for life better. Georgetown has very good academics, but it depends where you want to major. My bias says Maryland."

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

I'm sorry - this is absolute negativity. Georgetown does have a very diverse population especially when you factor in foreign students who come to GU (who comprise a significant percentage of admits). As someone who is on the NAACP e-mail list and has attended a few meetings - there is no tokenism at GU. The comparisson that the post makes is not only unfair, its inaccurate my roommate was recruited by and interviewed with Goldman Sachs last week. Typical BS from the UMD board - Georgetown's academic profile is actually on the rise - we moved up 3 spots in the US News Rankings this year, we're investing a lot of money in our academic programs by attracting big name professors (e.g. Tennet) to the SFS, building the new MSB Center and the new science center, the performing arts building opens this weekend, and the quality and competition of the applicant pool has been steadily increasing. If you want to find out what an overpriced private education really is the UMCP board can travel to Foggy Bottom and do some blow with the "students" of GW and discuss their "acadmic programs".

[SoCalHoya]

Reading the MD board made me laugh so hard. Indeed, there are quite a few very bright MD grads. Unfortunately, they still can't hold a candle to us! Plus, College Park sucks!

[Deleted]

First GW, now UMCP with the inferiority complex? Poor bastards...

[reformation]

Just wondered if what this guy said about Goldman dropping GU from undergrad recruiting is true-I find it hard to believe.

[nychoya3]

No, it's not.

[hoya4ever]

My bro goes to UMCP... he said that people are starting to get paranoid over Georgetown. Apparently it all started last spring when there was a chance we were going to meet in the NIT. That and the fact that they have an engineering major is like gold in their eyes. i do agree though, poor bastards

(no one should take this as an invitation to start an engineering major)

[DFW HOYA]

stpetersburghoya said:

I'm sorry - this is absolute negativity. Georgetown does have a very diverse population especially when you factor in foreign students who come to GU (who comprise a significant percentage of admits).

According to the link below, foreign students represent only 8% of admits.

www.georgetown.edu/undergrad/admissions/Information1YRProfile1.htm

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

8% is a very large number. It is probably less than 1% at UMCP.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

That was some of the most rediculous and ignorant BS i've ever read. and how dare they say that chicken madness is over rated. The only thing that's over rated here is Maryland

[TBird41]

a couple of points:

I doubt I would read that board very often. Lots and lots of stupid crap (I enjoyed the 6+ consecutive posts on how to shorten Washington University of St. Louis )

No one from outside the Mid atlantic reason goes to UMCP. People from all over the country go to GTown. There's a reason for that.

I also enjoyed the reasoning that a bball player should pick UMCP b/c Gtown isn't worth the tuition....

Finally, Gary Williams=old and busted (and sweaty). JT3=new hotness

And I'd want to go to a school where I could win a national title, not to one that had already peaked w/ their nat'l title and had gone down hill since. Also, I'd rather play in the best conference in America, rather then one that clearly thought football was more important.

[DanMcQ]

An article in the WaPo this morning brings the basketball aspect into the comparison:

Signings Are a Blast From the Past

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111100042.html

When was the last time mighty DeMatha sent a player to Georgetown?

Yes, things are changing.

[snip]

At about the same time that Vasquez was signing his letter-of-intent, over in Hyattsville, DeMatha junior Austin Freeman announced his decision to play for Georgetown, ending an icy 30-plus-years during which no DeMatha player had gone to Georgetown on scholarship. Not since John Thompson became the Hoyas' coach in 1972 had DeMatha sent a player to the school.

"When I made my decision, they started telling me I'm one of the first to go in a long time," Freeman said. "I wasn't really aware of that until they told me."

So Freeman wasn't up on his D.C. hoops history and rivalries, unconcerned about the long-running feud between Hall of Fame coaches Thompson and Morgan Wootten, who retired at DeMatha prior to the 2002 season. Of course, Freeman and his classmates missed that feud.

"Obviously we're going to get a lot of questions about the whole Wootten-Thompson thing," DeMatha Coach Mike Jones said. "I like to avoid trying to make it about that. Austin and his family think it's the best fit for him."

What the Freemans and others have noticed is the enthusiasm Thompson's son, John III, and his staff take into their recruiting work.

Georgetown "is very aggressive and active, I think they're doing a great job getting out," Jones said. "That's not to say Maryland is not. I've seen more of the Maryland coaching staff in the last six months than I have in the last three years combined. Maryland is working extremely hard. [Georgetown] just happened to get this one. He really struggled with the decision."

Also important about Freeman's decision is that rarely has Georgetown landed the region's elite prospects in recent years. It was not until late in his senior year that Northwestern's Jeff Green began to be regarded more highly. The case can be made that 2000 All-Met Player of the Year Mike Sweetney, an Oxon Hill graduate now in the NBA) fits this bill. Regardless, few can argue that most of the time the top players took a pass on the Hoyas.

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Perhaps one offshoot of Freeman and Vasquez picking local schools is it could up the ante for the teams to resume their dormant series. Since playing at the Capital Center in 1993, the teams have played just once, with Maryland winning in the 2001 NCAA tournament. Given Maryland's place as the dominant team in the region, there has been little for the Terrapins to gain by resuming the series.

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But if the Terrapins' recruiting hold is threatened, perhaps that could drive the teams back to the same court.

"If Maryland and Georgetown played," [AAU] Blue Devils Coach Rob Jackson said, "I think it would help more kids stay local."

[SirSaxa]

I'm all for seeing UMD and GU meet up each year. Great for DC area hoops.

[SaxaCD]

I guess. I could think of probably 20 other programs I'd rather play, but I guess Maryland would be ok, too. Not being from the DC area, i really don't give a crap about playing them.

[doublehoya]

First off, I'd love to see it happen every year. For me, a Marylander with lots of annoying terp friends, this would be one of the biggest, if not the biggest OOC matchups of the year.

BUT . . . There is one BIG problem -- Comcast vs. MCI. If you do a home and home with the Terps, they will never play a true away game. They will give us 250 seats at Comcast (guessing at the number, but we certainly won't be in a position to "take over" the arena) when we play there, and they will fill every empty seat at MCI. This problem will lessen as the Hoyas fortunes rise, and the fan base is rejuvenated, but it remains a bit of a problem.

One solution is to play on a neutral, but local court every year -- D.C. Armory maybe? I don't know a neurtal court that is in the area that has the capacity required, but I'd love to see this be an annual game, and as the Terps CONTINUE to lose recruits to us, I think sweaty-assed Gary will come around . . . .

[doublehoya]

I just read that Terp thread. Wow. Talk about inferiority complexes.

[SaxaCD]

socalhoya said:

Reading the MD board made me laugh so hard. Indeed, there are quite a few very bright MD grads.

Unfortunately, none of them post on their message board!

[thebin]

reformation said:

Just wondered if what this guy said about Goldman dropping GU from undergrad recruiting is true-I find it hard to believe.

Its demonstrably and spectacularly false. Gtown remains one of the most well represented schools on the Street, more so than half of the Ivy league easily. I know at Merrill and Goldman, there really are not any schools more well represented save perhaps Wharton.

[hoya4ever]

doublehoya said:

First off, I'd love to see it happen every year. For me, a Marylander with lots of annoying terp friends, this would be one of the biggest, if not the biggest OOC matchups of the year.

BUT . . . There is one BIG problem -- Comcast vs. MCI. If you do a home and home with the Terps, they will never play a true away game. They will give us 250 seats at Comcast (guessing at the number, but we certainly won't be in a position to "take over" the arena) when we play there, and they will fill every empty seat at MCI. This problem will lessen as the Hoyas fortunes rise, and the fan base is rejuvenated, but it remains a bit of a problem.

One solution is to play on a neutral, but local court every year -- D.C. Armory maybe? I don't know a neurtal court that is in the area that has the capacity required, but I'd love to see this be an annual game, and as the Terps CONTINUE to lose recruits to us, I think sweaty-assed Gary will come around . . . .

I'm in the same situation, and I agree that we need to play them, but not in the next few years. First, we have to develop a huge fan base so our guys don't feel like they are playing away at MCI. Second, we need to draw the thousands of Georgetown alums that live in the area out of the woodwork. Third, as in above, we need to get a few more recruits that had us both in their list. Fourth, we need one or two NCAA appearances so the Twerps won't feel superior. Fifth, we need to play at least one game at MCI because it is our home court and knowing the Gtown student fans they won't show up at the armory. Plus, Maryland would have as much of a chance of getting fans to go there, too. Plus, 20 years from the game, I still want to remember the silence of the Twerps and the uproar of the Hoyas as we beat them in MCI!

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

All of this will be fixed with the desctruction of the Terps in a post-season tournament. UMCP hates this idea and they get very anxious about it because as mentioned above - its a terrible situation for them - they get no gauranteed gate, no large allotment of seats, and they are forced to play a game that could prove decisive for a generation of area recruits.