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Post by Chris on Oct 25, 2005 2:32:49 GMT -5
Word is that The Hoya has ramped up its "independence" movement...apparently they're selling T-Shirts in Red Sqaure and have a website now don't have a whole lot of background on the independence movement but it seems they're getting very very aggressive. I guess they're trying to break free of the Hilltop's clutches? Don't know if this is a good or bad move.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 25, 2005 6:11:59 GMT -5
The present staff has chosen not to engage its alumni constituency over the last few years on this issue and continues not to do so.
Let's just say the issue does not have consensus outside Red Square.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Oct 25, 2005 11:17:56 GMT -5
DFW - don't speak so quickly for those of us in Red Square, either. After reading about this issue I can't understand why I care. The paper will be sub-par (to put it politely) either way. I don't get the t-shirts that they are selling in Red Square and why I would want one in the first place.
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Post by Gold Hoya on Oct 25, 2005 15:26:56 GMT -5
The present staff has chosen not to engage its alumni constituency over the last few years on this issue and continues not to do so. Let's just say the issue does not have consensus outside Red Square. Last year's staff made some attempts on the alumni front. As always, the built-in lack staff continuity can change alumni relations quickly. I fully agree that the issue does not have consensus in the alumni camp.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 25, 2005 16:08:47 GMT -5
What's the status of most University newspapers?
The strongest argument I could see is if they wanted to move to daily. If the University chose not to create a newspaper to compete, they could do it. But I hope in their financial projections that the University charges for office space and payment for the current assets, which were built on University funds.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 25, 2005 16:49:43 GMT -5
I don't understand: where would the paper's operating budget come from if The Hoya became independent?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 25, 2005 16:53:11 GMT -5
I know the Hoya generates a profit every year (or did in the late 90s), and much of that money goes back to SAC. The Hoya is basically funding other clubs.
Allowing them independence would allow them to reinvest that cash and grow. It isn't a bad idea, really. It is embarassing that GU's newspaper isn't daily.
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Post by Jack on Oct 25, 2005 17:09:35 GMT -5
If today's Viewpoint section is all they can come up with publishing twice weekly, perhaps they are better off not going to a daily.
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Post by chris on Oct 25, 2005 17:23:19 GMT -5
There is a new staff (probably new Editor new chair of the board, new managing editor etc.) supposedly coming into office in less than a month. Perhaps they will turn the paper for the better. I agree the hoya has some problems fully reporting news and soliciting opinion pieces right now.
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Post by 3416 O on Oct 26, 2005 22:18:15 GMT -5
If you read through freethehoya.com it is very clear what they are trying to do and why they are trying to do it. It's shameful that Georgetown is the only school in the US News Top 25 that isn't independent. Add to that the other top Jesuit (BC) and Catholic (ND) schools, and George Washington University. Of course there's resistance to change -- I'd imagine alums were skeptical when the paper went to twice-weekly in the 80s.
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Post by Hoya06 on Oct 26, 2005 22:23:19 GMT -5
An alum (Clay Risen, '98) has started an alumni petition. Seems like the more recent alums may be more supportive, given the difficulty the university has been giving the paper in the last decade or so. Not many signatures...yet www.petitiononline.com/alumpeti/petition.html
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 26, 2005 22:35:54 GMT -5
"Keeping up with The Hatchet" is not, on its own, a cogent argument. There's nothing in the current platform which suggests the University has anything to gain with such support.
N.B. Having been involved in the era preceding the twice weekly HOYA, the issue was never about resistance to change but a reflection of the HOYA's advertising gains versus the relative decline of the tabloid format of the Voice over that same period. Where the two papers were once both tabloids going head to head for readers and advertisers, the change began to take hold when the HOYA went to a broadsheet in 1976 and was effectively settled by the move to twice weekly printing in 1987, when the Voice abandoned its Tuesday print date for Thursdays.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Oct 26, 2005 22:40:38 GMT -5
DFW- I am agnostic on this issue- I guess my question is "what does the university have to lose?"
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Post by tgo on Oct 27, 2005 9:35:57 GMT -5
I havent read any arguments against independence. Someone enlighten me please.
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Post by highlandparkhoya on Oct 27, 2005 18:47:56 GMT -5
Georgetown students are always pawns of the administration, just like the Hoya is. They always say they want change, independence, etc. but at the end of the day the administrators listen and act like they care, stall with fake "town hall" meetings and long discussions with GUSA representatives until they those students graduate waiting for a new wave of "revolutionaries" to enter the front gates. The Hoya, being an institution provides some continuity of ideas, but at this point I feel it is as repetitive as students bringing up the idea of a better student government, administrators, GUSA reps and alumni cry "Steward" and we are back to the beginning.
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