|
Post by hoyahopeful on Oct 30, 2007 13:58:49 GMT -5
also some jerk is writing about addressing our radio problems , he said he is going to write something tomorrow , wednesday , we have 2 games left , marist and colgate , its too late too write this crapp , obviously , this gu geeek hasnt been trying to log into the radio all season , i will bet a donation to the football experience on that ...we dont need this geeeks analysis , trust me , the radio doesnt work and it has never worked,there is the anaysis IT DOES NOT WORK , we listren /watrch on our oppositions network ...clearly this fooll hasnt tried to listen to a game otherwise he wouldnt think its worth an article ...its not .... We get that you're angry and not without cause, but let's not condemn everyone here. If you are referring to DFW Hoya you are indicting probably the single most supportive Alum that the football team has. He maintains the HoyaSaxa site voluntarily and it's far better than the official GUHoyas football site. He addresses every issue, so don't go after him about the radio broadcast. That's just one of many symptoms of the condition of the program and he doesn't ignore anything. So, if you were referring to DFW, you owe him a sincere apology. If you were not, then I owe you one.
|
|
|
Post by strummer8526 on Oct 30, 2007 14:03:31 GMT -5
I don't care if the person planning to write about it is some kid who that was his first post. He deserves an apology. Calling each other jerks won't do anything to fix the University's failings.
|
|
|
Post by 98hoya on Oct 30, 2007 14:50:32 GMT -5
nycalumn, you are WAY out of line to criticize DFW. Occasionally, I disagree with his analysis of events, but DFW does an absolutely fantastic (and thanks to comments like your's one that is beyond thankless) job for Georgetown football and has been doing so for years and years. I can think of no single supporter of the program who has done more to benefit GU football than DFW, so show him a little respect or keep it to yourself.
|
|
|
Post by 98hoya on Oct 30, 2007 14:53:58 GMT -5
I hate to be the guy that says "You newbies don't understand," but the fact is that we've tried this before. If I recall correctly, there was some reason, real or B.S., I don't know, that we couldn't do this. If anyone makes progress where I can donate directly to the MSF, then I'm in for $500. I might have missed a thread, but I'd hardly consider myself a newbie, given that I've been listening to promises about improving ever since Coach Benson recruited me onto a team that was 75% players who were recruited by Coach Glacken to play D-3 football. Some changes have been achieved, others have not. The idea is to help the program advance.
|
|
|
Post by 98hoya on Oct 30, 2007 14:55:09 GMT -5
As class of '07, my donations are pretty limited (I'm still poor). But when someone donates like this, how do you really know that your donations go to what you want? What's the process for requesting that your money is directly applied to your desired project? I was under the impression that the University doesn't allow such targeting in a lot of cases. Good question, and one to which I frankly do not know the answer. I know you can donate to the Gridiron club, but more specifically than that, I'm not sure. Can anyone give some advice on how to donate to the MSF project?
|
|
|
Post by hoyaparents on Oct 30, 2007 15:17:52 GMT -5
Dear NYCalumn
I understand your frustration. We are neither greeks, jerks, idiots or bozos.
We are making a serious effort to help make this program work. If you don't wish to participate in finding solutions, that's okay, but don't poison everyone else.
As a parent of a current Hoya football player, I certainly understand what our sons are going through. In high school, most of the current roster came from winning programs, it is not easy for these young men to be get beat, and sometimes beat badly.
The GU Football Parents Association is hoping to make a difference. If you don't want to be part of the solution, so be it, but please don't undermine the effort.
You can criticize the program all you want, but discouraging others who want to support the program so that GU football can be a success in the future is just dead wrong.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,717
|
Post by DanMcQ on Oct 30, 2007 15:46:19 GMT -5
look, be really careful donating to the current mess at GU ,trust me, ive been donating and it gets you nowhere , no info , nothing ,just alot of bull from people who have never donated anything and likely will never donate , thats the facts boys and thats why msf is in the current state that it is ....we dont have a useful scoreboard....till we get a real football staff and get rid of the bozos and apparently embarassing recruiting methods ,the money you give will be wasted ....i know thats a bit of an ugly circle but giving money to these idiots has made no sense up to now and there is no reason to believe it will improve and i am ready to donate , but, i will no longer donate to the crap that gu has produced....so you know, we can be behind 35-0 or so at half forever if you keep donating and permitting this to continue ..WTF ...this has gotten crazy , somebody recently wrote that we should be quiet in ths board ....sssshhh !!! , maybe we are negatively effecting the intelligent recruiting methods at gu ...cmon everybody knows we suck everybody knows the facilities are embarassing and the coac hes are awful , just ask...what are we going to do be quiet , lie and trick some unsuspecting scrub from outside the northeast to come to gu ....the northeastern part of the usa knows we n eed huge change so lets not be quiet , lets speak up and force change and not allow our lousy coaches to hide behind bringing in scrubs from other areas around the country , we should be a bigger factor in recruiting in our backyard which is also the area where are funding comes from too...also some jerk is writing about addressing our radio problems , he said he is going to write something tomorrow , wednesday , we have 2 games left , marist and colgate , its too late too write this crapp , obviously , this gu geeek hasnt been trying to log into the radio all season , i will bet a donation to the football experience on that ...we dont need this geeeks analysis , trust me , the radio doesnt work and it has never worked,there is the anaysis IT DOES NOT WORK , we listren /watrch on our oppositions network ...clearly this fooll hasnt tried to listen to a game otherwise he wouldnt think its worth an article ...its not ....FIX IT , stop writing complete nonsense ...so the facilities are bad , the coaches are bad , the players are forced awake at 5 am to practice , those are the facts ...people , these are the facts of football at gu ....so think before you donate to the current condition of gu football !!! nycalumn:
Please re-read the Message Board Rules linked here. Specifically the following:Your post above violates these rules. No matter how you feel about the current staff of the football program, calling them bozos etc is not acceptable here. Similarly, calling other posters here jerks is not acceptable.
Consider this fair warning.
|
|
|
Post by champ on Oct 30, 2007 16:14:53 GMT -5
The gridiron club has a matching donation effort going on too. I have pledged $200 there and $100 here. I suggest we all send our donations to the gridiron club unless someone has a better idea.
|
|
|
Post by 98hoya on Oct 30, 2007 16:54:39 GMT -5
That sounds good to me, champ. Do they have a website?
|
|
|
Post by champ on Oct 30, 2007 17:37:01 GMT -5
GIRDIRON CLUB
Hey Football Alumni! Update Your Information Here! The Gridiron Club is an organization of alumni, parents, and friends of Georgetown Football whose primary purpose is to promote a heightened awareness of and an active interest in the Georgetown University Football program.
The Club began in 1974, and since then, members have been actively involved in raising funds to supplement the budget and provide opportunities to the football program through annual, current-use donations. In the 2005-2006 school year, the Gridiron Club raised $272,674.89 from 275 donors.
In addition, members receive newsletters and invitations to club events each year.
The Gridiron Club is completely volunteer driven and needs your help! The Club President is Chris Murphy (B '93), murphyc724@yahoo.com.
If you are interested in helping the football program through the Gridiron Club, please contact Hoyas Unlimited at 202-687-7159 or email hoyasunlimited@georgetown.edu
|
|
|
Post by crackerjack on Oct 30, 2007 19:02:51 GMT -5
I agree with you about commitment toward the football program by the institution. It's my understanding when the Hoyas were Div. III (or was it II?); they won the division. Then, G'town was moved up to Div. I. That's where I think the big investment is required.
But I don't think having a new football stadium is the only answer. It's investment in the coaching staff, players, exercise equipment etc.
And yes, 0600 football practices are the norm under Coach Kelly, 4-4.5 hours each day, including films, 5-days a week. This does not include Spring/Summer practices, practice games etc. And, by the way, all this on top of a challenging and terrific academic program that prepares these students so well for their future endeavors.
So back to my point, let's give the Seniors, who as you say were promised a new stadium when they signed up, their well-deserved playing time (let the record show) and win these last two games....or at least not be embarrassed or regret that they signed with Georgetown four years ago. We can give them the playing time now....unfortunately, not the stadium etc. in the next 2 weeks.
Regards,
CrackerJack
|
|
|
Post by hoyany on Oct 30, 2007 20:11:17 GMT -5
nycalumn:
Calling other posters jerks and trying to spread you disgustingly excessive negativity is one thing but referring to our freshman recruits as "scrubs" repeatedly in your posts is uncalled for and quite inaccurate. Our freshman/ soph classes that our current coaching staff have recruited are extremely talented and make up the majority of the important contributors on this team. They are in no way "scrubs".
|
|
|
Post by hoyaobserver on Oct 30, 2007 20:36:32 GMT -5
hoyany:
I agree with you that they should not be called "scrubs", but do not imply that their talent surpasses the more deserving upperclassmen that rode the pine this season. There are many reasons for the team's poor showing and one of the major one's was Kelly's conscious decision to go with the youth movement over more experienced players who had paid their dues, only to get the shaft by this program. No they are not "scrubs", but they certainly weren't ready for prime time, and the record bears that out. The "ready for prime time" upperclassmen barely saw the field and they would have been the "important contributors". Your comment "...that our current coaching staff recruited..." is very telling. A shame that potential "important contributors" never got the chance because they weren't recruited by the "current coaching staff".
|
|
DFW HOYA
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,797
|
Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 30, 2007 21:00:18 GMT -5
obviously , this gu geeek hasnt been trying to log into the radio all season , i will bet a donation to the football experience on that ... Excepting the four games I've attended this season, I've been alongside the radio for every other one, usually on opponent stations. What changed this week is word from WGTB that GU has disasociated themselves from the station's intinerant broadcasts. Excepting a few years earlier this decade when Tom Kolker was behind the mic, WGTB broadcasts have been consistently inconsistent of late, a necessary evil when trying to get scores from one of I-AA's more underpromoted teams. To date, WGTB has broadcast one game this year, had technical difficulties on three more, and have been out of service on the rest. That's not a good track record, but paying $9.95 a month for CSTV (which I've had customer service issues in the past) isn't in my best interests, either. Chuck Tim Edited does a good job with the resources he's got, I only wish more could hear him. The story is that this needs to be solved, if not for 2007, but certainly for 2008. Georgetown needs a better "presentation" across the board.
|
|
theexorcist
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,506
|
Post by theexorcist on Oct 30, 2007 21:18:42 GMT -5
Georgetown was a relatively average school in Division III. They were forced to move up in the early 90s due to an NCAA ruling that eliminated being Division III in one sport (almost always football), while being Division I in the rest.
|
|
Cambridge
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Canes Pugnaces
Posts: 5,304
|
Post by Cambridge on Oct 30, 2007 22:02:10 GMT -5
Alright, I'm in for $100.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 31, 2007 1:49:31 GMT -5
Georgetown was a relatively average school in Division III. They were forced to move up in the early 90s due to an NCAA ruling that eliminated being Division III in one sport (almost always football), while being Division I in the rest. We won a few conference titles/had some good years and went to the ECAC Bowl or something like that a few times -- we played someone like Robert Morris. I was under the impression that the most pressing financial need for football is the lack of a full scholarship complement. I understand the facilities issue, but people who know -- what is the bigger issue?
|
|
|
Post by nycalumn on Oct 31, 2007 6:14:32 GMT -5
my aplologies for overreacting and name calling , that wont happen again , but , lets be clear, the football "program" is rife with nothing but excuses for everything ...i /we have been donating to the team and msf for a long timne now and theres nothing but excuse after excuse and that goes for virtually every aspect of the program every year ...so i apologize to those i offended and good luck versus marist and colgate ...we need some change and i wish the best to those trying to make it happen ....thanks
|
|
theexorcist
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,506
|
Post by theexorcist on Oct 31, 2007 9:32:07 GMT -5
Georgetown was a relatively average school in Division III. They were forced to move up in the early 90s due to an NCAA ruling that eliminated being Division III in one sport (almost always football), while being Division I in the rest. We won a few conference titles/had some good years and went to the ECAC Bowl or something like that a few times -- we played someone like Robert Morris. I was under the impression that the most pressing financial need for football is the lack of a full scholarship complement. I understand the facilities issue, but people who know -- what is the bigger issue? The ECAC Bowl and Robert Morris came when Georgetown was in Division I of the MAAC league in the mid-90s-early-00s. Georgetown won the MAAC title in the fall of 1997 (my senior year) with a Homecoming game against Duquesne, who, until that game, was the conference heavyweight. The game featured some remarkably inappropriate and sophomoric chants from drunk Hoya fans that, even now, bring a smile to my face. Georgetown left the MAAC because they saw the writing on the wall - the league is crumbling. Four schools remain from eight or nine originally. Georgetown has been a bottom-feeder in what was originally the non-scholarship Patriot League since they've joined. There are bigger issues afoot.
|
|
|
Post by newwestcoasthoya on Nov 1, 2007 16:24:44 GMT -5
Just for the record. The radio broadcast DOES come on the GU website. I have listened to the past two away games on there and even watched 1 or 2 on the video side!
|
|